Towards reopening Tourkhum Route: Yes or No?

By: Yasmeen Ali 

On October 7 the United States and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization military allies began the tenth year of their war in Afghanistan, over 3,000 miles from NATO Headquarters in Brussels. As the U.S. delivered its 20th deadly drone missile attack of the month inside Pakistan on the 27th, five times the amount launched in August and the most in any month since they were started in 2004, NATO conducted a series of attacks with helicopter gunships in Northwest Pakistan. Claiming the “right of self-defense” and in “hot pursuit” of insurgents that had reportedly attacked a NATO camp, Combat Outpost Narizah, in Afghanistan’s Khost province near the Pakistani border, this past weekend NATO attack helicopters conducted two forays into the Federally Administered Tribal Areas where U.S. drone strikes have killed a record number of people this month.

Estimates of those killed, dutifully referred to in the Western press as insurgents, militants or terrorists, were 30, then 50, afterward 60, 70 and later “82 or higher.” The death toll in Pakistan this month is well over 200 and for this year to date over 2,000. The justification for this carnage offered by the U.S. and NATO is that it is intended to extend the policy of Barack Obama to “disrupt, dismantle and defeat” insurgent networks in Afghanistan into Pakistan, supposedly the sooner to end the war.

However, should situation be reversed, will the USA allow Pakistan or any other country for that matter to take the same action and launch attacks, killing thousands of men, women And children, not to speak of Armed Force personnel in the name of” collateral damage”?

Rehman Malik, the Interior Minister for Pakistan, was forced to denounce the attacks in face of mounting public rage against these gross violations and anger at a weak government unable to defend the borders of the sovereign state.

Most of the time, the government has turned a blind eye to the atrocities, in spite of repeated news by the media of damage done by the drones on Pakistan soil. Not any more.  Public anger mounts at both the attackers and the inept and corrupt government of Zardari which has failed on all fronts to deliver on it’s promise at elections.

As a result of this anger, NATO trucks have been torched and burnt to ashes by angry gunmen- who see the government failing to register a complaint with the relevant authorities and for once, see justice done.

Gareth Porter, renowned historical investigative journalist, in his article, published by IPS News, states,” The crisis in U.S.-Pakistani relations was the result of a decision by the Obama administration – which press reports suggest was on the basis of a strong recommendation from Petraeus – to act much more aggressively and unilaterally if the Pakistani military did not do more to attack militant groups in North Waziristan, especially the Haqqani group, which dominates the successful insurgency in eastern Afghanistan.”.

He further states,” One element of the decision was to increase drone strikes in Waziristan dramatically to an unprecedented 22 in September – more than four times the average number in the previous six months. In the past, the United States had gotten permission from the Pakistani government for specific geographic “boxes” in which drone strikes could be carried out, as revealed in “Obama’s War” by Bob Woodward.

Evidently that was not done, however, before the sudden dramatic increase in drone strikes in September.

The second element was to carry out at a series of cross- border helicopter gunship attacks in Pakistan that were not cleared in advance with the Pakistani military.” UNQUOTE.

US forces pursued the Taliban into Pakistan “after following the proper rules of engagement under inherent right of self defense,” Master Sergeant Matthew Summers, an ISAF spokesman, told The Long War Journal on Sept. 26.

But a spokesman at Pakistan’s Foreign Office rejected reports that such an agreement between ISAF and Pakistan exists, and said the incursions are a violation ISAF’s mandate.

DAWN Newspaper, reported on 9th October 2010 that a principled stand has been taken by the Pakistan Government to reopen the Torkhum route.

Note that roughly 80% of NATO supplies pass through the Pakistan route and is vital for strategic interests of the NATO forces in Afghanistan.

Nonetheless, the Pakistan Government has kept the Chaman, linking Baluchistan and Kandahar route open for the NATO supplies and has not completely closed off the supply line.

U.S. Ambassador to Pakistan Anne W. Patterson has apologized on behalf of the American people for killing of Pakistani paratroopers in a cross-border raid by NATO helicopters on September 30th. But is that enough? If USA can send Dr Afia Siddiqi to jail for 86 years owing to the alleged attempt on the lives of US soldiers, should those directly responsible for the death of Pakistani paratroopers get off scot free after rendering a grudging apology? USA would do well to understand the anger by the Pakistanis on this show of  double standards and injustice.   

Unless and until, NATO takes a firm action on ground against those responsible, public anger in Pakistan shall not be appeased. Worse attacks on NATO trucks can be expected. According to Reuters, up to 40 trucks of supplies have been burnt by angry gunmen. Can the unpopular government of Asif Ali Zardari sustain the onslaught of public anger? Can Zardari’s government convince NATO to take a firm action against those responsible?

USA’s policies are clearly destabilizing Pakistan. A destabilized Pakistan will destabilize the Region. Can the USA afford this in face of their aim to vacate Afghanistan soon? The Think Tanks in USA must reevaluate their strategies for this part of the world. The United States must also take into account the diplomatic repercussions of such ill advised actions besides the dramatic increase in anti American sentiments in Pakistanis.

 

(The writer is a lawyer and teaches in Beacon House National University, Lahore).

 

 

 

 

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  • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 7:46 am

    you just conveyed our feelings there, yas.

    well done.

  • pakpotpourri2  On October 9, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Thank you Faisal. I am humbled.

    • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 7:53 am

      you’re very welcome.

  • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 7:52 am

    “Nonetheless, the Pakistan Government has kept the Chaman, linking Baluchistan and Kandahar route open for the NATO supplies and has not completely closed off the supply line.”

    i think Chaman border supply is also blocked, due to “improper” documentation. 🙂

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/152-trailers%2C-oil-tankers-detained-at-chaman-border-600

  • Syed Ataur Rahman  On October 9, 2010 at 8:15 am

    The Americans are testing the resolve of the Pakistani nation. They of course have the Pakistan Government in their pocket; not so the Army and the people of Pakistan. The more we give in the more aggressive they will become. We have to draw a line. Yasmeen, your point about court marshal and punishment to those who were responsible for the Pakistani FC deaths must be demanded or Pakistan must gradually withdraw support. The PAF must be allowed to shoot down few drones to warn USA not to carry the war too far. We have in any case destabilized us, so what more can they do without suffering its fall outs. Also, Pakistan’s cooperation in ‘all’ must end and we should do what we have to do to safeguard our interests. The United States must understand that we are the masters of our own destiny and we shall do what is good for the national interest of Pakistan.

    • Tarah Sarwar  On October 9, 2010 at 8:34 am

      Pakistan is too deep in this muck to withdraw but demanding punishment is our right.

  • S U Turkman  On October 9, 2010 at 8:24 am

    No. No. No.
    We should never open the border for NATO Convoys and start shooting down Drones and US Helicopters to thank for all the Charity that USA has been giving us since 1953.

    • Sartaj Kabeer  On October 9, 2010 at 8:31 am

      TURMAN, please post your address.I would like to send you a draft,the drop by & screw all your family.I guess by your standard that’s ok?

  • mian saleem  On October 9, 2010 at 8:36 am

    “Do we have a choice”

  • S U Turkman  On October 9, 2010 at 8:44 am

    That’s correct. We have a right to keep killing US Soldiers through our Mercenaries called Taliban because USA is at War against Islam and Moslims. USA has no right to kill our Soldiers even if they start firing at US Helicopters. USA’s job is to just keep giving us Charity of Billions of Dollars and never ask us to do, what we promised to do for that money and Weapons that we got for free to take care of the business. We need those Weapons to conquer India. How can we use those Weapons against our beloved Moslim pious saintly MojaahiDeen Brothers Taliban?
    We should start firing Suface to Air Missiles at US Drones and Helicopters for violation of our Air Space though China has already not violated our Sovereignty by occupying northern Gilgit but has also built her Military Bases and Air Strips. You see, Enemy of Allah, Godless Communist China is the best friend of Fort of Islam and in Qoraan, Allah had clearly said, “Do not make Jews and Christians your friend. Only take their Charity but become the best Friend of my Enemy, Communist China. Let China take as much Moslim land as she wants”.
    We should not be scared of USA because Allah is behind us. If USA attacks us, we would destroy USA just like we destroyed USSR. Allaho Akbar …!
    .
    May Allah put some sense in Brains of gods of Pakistan in Pakistani Army and their Worshipers …!

    • Summaya  On October 9, 2010 at 8:48 am

      We all know you are a Sikh so cut out the crap of pretending to be a muslim.
      No one condones Taliban in their right mind-neither is that supported here.But you are deliberately twisting it as you have NOT A WORD to state anything opposed to what the writer has written.
      So buzz of Rajan Das Singh(aka Turkman)!

      • Rashid Inam  On October 9, 2010 at 9:34 am

        Thanks Summaya.Now we know who TURKMAN really is!A paid RAW agent.

      • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 11:42 am

        personally i’d just put an ignore button on the person.

        he’d fade to nothingness when we stop feeding the troll.

    • KAMAL KHAN  On October 10, 2010 at 9:53 am

      Afghanistan is a MUSLIM Country and So is Pakistan.. ALL Muslim countries are BROTHERS and thats why USA and EUROPE and ANY MUNAFIQ will Never Support Muslims and Will always Support Europe & USA and NATO.

      Simply Put. Tourkhum Border Should Be Sealed for NATO ….. SImple.

      Kamal Khan

  • Khalid Husain  On October 9, 2010 at 9:33 am

    The long and the short of all this is if the US/NATO find the going is getting too tough to manage and disaster begins to loom they’ll nuke the area and be done with it, so they believe.

  • S. Zia  On October 9, 2010 at 9:37 am

    We need a clear national policy to deal with the whole issue of terrorism within our borders and revisit our policy of engagement with US and NATO in Afghanistan. Then need to mobilize general/popular support of Pakistani people.
    We all understand it is a quite complicated issue and needs to be handled carefully.

  • Col. Riaz Jafri  On October 9, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I think the best would be that the US look after the Taliban herself. We want no money from them to take care of the Taliban for them. We would ourselves deal with the Taliban bothering us and the same should be done by the USA. Why involve us in something that they can do themselves and strictly speaking is not our problem? And, if they cannot and want us to do it for them, then they bloody well should pay for it.
    Pay the same that would cost them to do it themselves. No more no less. Would that not be fair, Mr. Turkman? If we have to be the mercenaries let’s be the proper ones.

    Col. Jafri (Retd)

    • Iqbal Tariq  On October 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm

      THIS IS THE PROPER WAY AS YOU SAY!

    • A K Marshall  On October 9, 2010 at 3:26 pm

      I would want to inquire Mr Jafri that how much would he charge to do dirty jobs for others. Its our greatest misfortune that people like Musharraf and his Allies had put the Pakistan Army and Civilians on a loot sale . That was the only reason that the Virginia D A commented by saying that THE PAKISTANIES CAN EVEN SELL THEIR MOTHERS FOR MONEY> What is was referring to was about people in uniform , An ordinary Pakistani can not even think about the smallest abuse against her mother . The Taliban were not our problem at all they were made to become a problem by confrontation following the U S policy. A major change in that policy can help us become a very peace full country. War in Afghanistan is a US problem let it remain theirs . We should concentrate on our issues which are Education , Health care , Law and order etc.

      AbdulKhalique Ali

      Editor Online Int News Network

      • Col. Riaz Jafri  On October 10, 2010 at 3:33 am

        Mr. A K Marshall:

        I didn’t expect a man of your intelligence to miss the point in my post and infer what you have inferred from it. I would advise you to re-read my post to get a better comprehension.

        You said, ” that the Virginia D A commented by saying that THE PAKISTANIES CAN EVEN SELL THEIR MOTHERS FOR MONEY> What is was referring to was about people in uniform , An ordinary Pakistani can not even think about the smallest abuse against her mother .”

        Your directing DA Virginia’s comments towards the men in uniform is rather a sinister twist that you are giving to it and it cannot be appreciated at all in any way. Hope you were not drunk when you wrote above? Or, is it due to some inner ingrained hatred for the military that made you write it? If the ordinary Pakistani cannot even think about the smallest abuse against his mother, what makes you think that the Pakistani men in uniform would tolerate that? Aren’t they also Pakistanis? I am not only surprised but also hurt, like hundreds of thousands of men in uniform, who would in spite of your despicable vituperative would willingly sacrifice their lives to save the honour of your mother and sister if , God may never will, a time comes.

        If you are a gentleman, you would apologize from the armed forces of Pakistan for your most uncalled for insult fling by you upon them.

        Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

  • Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam  On October 9, 2010 at 10:31 am

    I think the best policy for the region to let reverent democracy function involving all the stakeholders. This thought of eliminating this or that groups/organisation under XYZ banners is not going to ensure peace. The current US administration needs to be assited with non-violent advice. Drones clearly are not welcome and they would never be, so the best thing is to let the NATO out of the region soon. The entire military action post 9/11 and Gulf War can not be made dependant on the socalled ‘victory’ as that would never be possible.

  • Tariq  On October 9, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Yes , u are right, if nato or some one else cross our border, we should give them a befitting reply, but blocking supplies is one thing which will once again go against us.

    • Nabeel Javed  On October 9, 2010 at 3:19 pm

      Tariq, I strongly agree with you.
      Muhammad Nabeel Javed

      • Sikander Baluch  On October 10, 2010 at 7:54 am

        What about ISI and Pak agencies who are playing triple game with their own fellows,in balchistan,wazirstan ,America and Taliban…you may agree that they have been doing things in national interst but later their think tanks among themselves have been doing a negative role,agencies within agencies,either way…..
        Sikander Baloch
        NY Press

    • Craig Hill  On October 9, 2010 at 4:20 pm

      s it possible in our lifetimes to break the connection between corrupt Pakistani government officials and the US who work to control them and so pervert Pakistani society? If so, how?

      That is what i think you should really be discussing. You all want justice and peace in Pakistan. It cannot come until those ties are broken and American corporate-military influences are banished. Thank you.

  • shakil ahmad  On October 9, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Torkham Border must be immediately opened as we are not that strong to sustain the pressure.

    • M. IQBAL  On October 9, 2010 at 10:54 am

      What about the international obligation of killing millions of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan by the DON Usa and Nato forces.

    • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 11:53 am

      let them test our strength.

      and let us see too how strong they really are too, and dependent(/independent) they can be.

      whoever blinks first……………..

      obama wants to see us down on our knees???

      over our dead bodies.

      not everyone in pakistan is a dirty / corrupt politician.

    • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 11:54 am

      or a dirty corrupt bureaucrat for that matter.

  • Shani  On October 9, 2010 at 10:36 am

    good.

  • A. Mehdi  On October 9, 2010 at 10:49 am

    What is urgently needed is to convey the concerns of the citizens in stern terms that NATO is no more welcome in the region as the main casualty of its drone tactics is the voice of moderation. The radical forces garner support on the basis (pretext) of high handedness of NATO and the cycle of violence would never recede. The escalation is taking price that world community is compelled not to ignore and South Asia may become source of hostilities parallel to middle east. People of Pakistan must come forward as they have much at the stake, especially their existence as a Nation.

  • Asif Salahuddin  On October 9, 2010 at 11:22 am

    The US agencies are clearly behind the black op activities in pak, working to reshape pak in favour of their interests in the region. We have to acknowledge and tackle this real enemy without delay. Shutting all supply lines is the first correct solid step…

    • Faisal Malik  On October 9, 2010 at 11:56 am

      i have very little to no doubt in my mind that the same covert groups spread all over pakistan by the US, were involved in the recent bombing at Abd’Allah Shah Ghazi tomb in Karachi.

      same tactics used against Iraqis under the tutelage of mchrystal.

      • Shabbir Mir  On October 9, 2010 at 12:06 pm

        The real issue is that our agencies don’t have the capacity to expose even the Black Water which is far superior in technology to our agencies. and also the if the stories of infiltration of those agents in our ranks and files are real, then of course worrisome.

    • lucas.peter  On October 9, 2010 at 4:13 pm

      Asif sb u r close to my heart and of course sarmad sb as always!

      • Mubashir Inayet  On October 9, 2010 at 4:17 pm

        That is right folks. I am coming out of a bad flu.

        The US must be behind this!!

        Grow up and own up. If Taliban are going to hit US and NATO and Afghan forces in Afghanistan and sneak back into Pakistan, somebody will have to stop them as they put the security of Pakistan at risk.

        If Pakistanis won’t then guess who will?

        Mubashir Inayet

        “A man should never be ashamed to own that he is wrong, which is but saying in other words that he is wiser today than he was yesterday.”

  • iqbal  On October 9, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    It is a good article but why are we so US centric and not Taliban/Al Qaeda centric?? These terrorists are killing more innocent Pakistanis.

    • Mohammad Bajwa  On October 9, 2010 at 3:24 pm

      That is quite unrealistic. If US, Pakistan, and Karzai cannot handle Taliban together, how can any one can do it alone.

      Both US and Pakistan made a strategic mistake in arming religious elements to oust Russians. They should have occupied this side of Hindukush mountains,which is mostly inhabited by Pashtoons.

      Both Carter and Zia were chickens, without nerves to play the great game.

      Pakistan has a security agreement with US since 1954 which has kept defence forces going.Even our air force cannot deliver without spare parts.

      Pakistan is ideologically confused and divided when it comes to Taliban. That is a factor in the confusion about US operations against them.

  • Obaid Nasir  On October 9, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Unless Pakistan realises that its security and stability in interlinked with peace and stability in South Asia it will remain a puppet in the hands of uncle Sam.All those matters in Pakistani society should recognise their real enemy ie American strategic interest, not India .They should stop flagging dead horse of Kashmir and should devoe all their energy and resousrces in nation building not in breaking another nation which has historical bonds with them.
    Obaid

    • Mohammad Shafi  On October 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm

      No, stop tourkhum route permanently,

    • Admiral Iftikhar A. Sirohey  On October 9, 2010 at 3:20 pm

      Both are.

      IAS

      • Admiral Iftikhar A. Sirohey  On October 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm

        It is terrible misreading of the situation that peace in the Sub-continent is solely dependent on Pakistan. There is no logical basis for the assumption that relations between India and Pakistan will be any better whichever way the Kashmir issue is settled. There are a whole host of other critical issues that would still remain to vitiate the climate. Uppermost among these is India’s political need to keep the bogey of Muslim Pakistan alive to maintain her internal cohesion and rally the myriad diverse elements that constitute India. Without the existence of a manifest external threat there is every possibility of history taking its course and the country breaking apart. This has become particularly relevant since the emergence of the virulent fundamentalist Hindu nationalism that rends the fabric of her body politic. Peace in Kashmir and a settlement with Pakistan carry the inherent risk of depriving it of much of its raison d’etre.

  • Amir Rana  On October 9, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Sometimes (rather very often now-a-days) it surprises me and hurts me as well to see what we are doing and where we are going as Muslims. Things are very clear, believe me they are if we just take a little time off from our IMPORTANT COMMITMENTS and read Quran. We are continuously supporting those who are clear enemies of Islam and Muslims as a whole. They are proving their prejudice and enemity every day since last many centuries. Start from Spain and end up in Afghanistan, it is all part of war which Allah says will continue between “Haq” and “Batil”. Unfortunately a majority of us has always stood with Batil. Badar Bin Mughira, Moosa Bin Naseer, Salah-ud-din Ayubi, Shah Jalaluddin, Bakht Khan, Tipu Sultan, Syed Ahmed Shaheed and for that matter even Che-Guveira, Ho-Chi-Minh and Nelson Mandella were all terrorists and rebellions of their times. History, when re-written by time, declared them as heroes. Situation at present seems hopeless and darkness is at its peak. BUT this is the time when things start getting changing; light starts to appear, and it will, for sure it will, because it is the promise made by none other but ALLAH. Lets’ try to be a part of those who are on right track. Lets’ try to read between the lines of what our enemies present to us as AMAN KI FAKHTA or AASHA or PEACE KEEPING FORCE or whatever. They don’t want a clap in which both the hands move. Their aim is to use their hand only….. and movement of single hand is a SLAP not a CLAP.

    Take care everybody.

    Amir Rana

    • Admiral Iftikhar A. Sirohey  On October 10, 2010 at 8:00 am

      The denigration of Islam and its unknowing munafaqeen shall continue till we return to true Islam and display by our Zahir and Batil. Allah will fulfill His promise to grant them success. It mandates that we acquire knowledge. That means hard work. regrettably we wish to have every thing without doing any work.

      If we continue likewise Allah swt will replace us by better people.

      IAS

  • Syed Sadruddin Hussain  On October 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    DISTURBING SITUATION IN PAKISTAN AND ITS SOLUTION;

    Col. Jaffri is right when he says that we can deal with the Tailbans ourselves instead of getting involved with USA/UK to fight the Talibans for money sake which has resulted in revengeful attacks on our country through large scale suicide bombings and killings. The policy of appeasing the West by our government will continue due to the pro western attitude of our leaders who are either setted in UK or Abu Dhabi or have their second homes there along with the corrupt money deposited in either Swiss or UK/USA banks for safety. Besides the flow of western aid and loans which are largely misused and corrupted are also a big factor for their pro western attidude and policies. Patriotism is direly needed. Our neighbouring Indian leaders don’t run to UK/USA or Abu Dhabi or settle down there.
    The over all situation in Pakistan is deteriorating fast and the government in power is unable to control the law and order situation except issuing warnings and orders which are ‘filed’. We are facing suicide bombings, terrorism, sectarian killings, ehtnic killings, seperatist movements, corruption, loot, robberies and theft on large scale, sins and evils, lack of public safety and tolerance etc. The religious exploitation, groupings and deviations have increased so much that our Masajids are also divided and we have to pray under a police guard in an Islamic State which is very shameful. The solution lies in taking bold and concrete action.

    1. Being an Islamic State all Masjids, Madaris and religious institutions should be taken over by the governemnt to be managed by an Ulema Board to maintain peace on the religious front and end exploitation of Islam. All religious parties be banned as they are exploiting Islam for their selfish ends and creating divisions in the society instead of promoting unity. The Madaris should be attached or merged into schools as Islam is Deen and Dunya both and not seperate as in Christianity, Hinduism, Budhism etc to produce Popes, Bishops, Sadhus, Monks etc.

    2. The exisitng Police set up has failed to control bad law and order situation and should be replaced with Shurta system of Police as In Arabia.

    3. The exisitng Anglo Saxon Judicial System has totally failed in giving speedy justice and the Advocate community fully exploit the situation to earn millions from big theives, smugglers, thugs and big criminals to save them from punishment through under hand tactics like obtaining long adjournments of cases, falsehood, bogus evidences, spoiling/purchasing the witnesses, exploiting and twisitng the law/PPC , under-the-table payment of bribes to judges, endless arguments and objections, lot of paper work, stay orders, restraining orders, leave on medical grounds, diverting attention of courts, etc. That is why the case of our Dear President on corruption and other charges pulled on for 8 years with no punishment because he paid millions to advocates.

    Therefore the failed and much exploited judicial system should be replaced with Qazi Court or Summary System for quick hearing and speedy justice. Justice delayed is justice denied. The out of date, complex and lengthy Penal Code with numerous amendments and supercessions be replaced with a short to-the-point Penal Code with severe punishment for all crimes. The advocates fees should be fixed on a unifrom scale to end the Loot Mar system that the highest paid advocate can get a favourable judgement which is totally Un Islamic. Instead of scores of courts, there should be only two tier court system: Trial Court and Appeal Court.

  • Javaid Haider  On October 9, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Shabbir:the big question is, why was blackwater ever allowed to set itself up in pakistan and begin operations. it’s reputation became clear in iraq. it’s participation in the abu gharaib tortures so evident. knowing the purpose of this organisation, pak government allows it to get a foothold in pakistan! yes, i am pretty sure this agency is behind many murders and mayhem in the country. i don’t hear gul hameed condemning blacwater in pakistan.

  • shahab shahabuddin  On October 9, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    The foreign office just announced to reopen it. The traffic to Afghanistan will resume on Monday.
    Shahab

    • Farzana Shah  On October 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm

      The route has been opened SO stop over working yourself everyone.

      Peace

  • Waqas Safdar  On October 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    What goes around, comes around!

    Our Army, agencies have been conducting the covard operations in different countries such as Afganistan & India with 100% endorsement from the gouverments time to time and we all know that. We fought American cold war with Russia in Afghanistan, we have been supporting the Kashmiri Mujahideen time to time, now it is time when all those forces who have previously used us for their benefit would use us again for their own interest & benefits they just don’t want to pay for it!

    Most of the above comments are stressing upon putting a huge price tag in case if we fight their war with our own people without realising the fact that when you burn others’ house, your house will get burnt eventually (jo doosron ka ghar jallaye ga uska apna ghar bhe lazim jallay ga) this is a universal phenomena, be it Pakistan, India, USA, Russia, UK, Israel or any country for that matter would definitely pay a heavy price of any such inhumane actions!

    Now as far as geo political situation is concerned, one thing is for certain that the western forces can never win this war without the support of the neighbouring countries especially, Pakistan but the current gov lack the right policy to tackle or cash it, let’s come up with some brilliant & workable ideas..!!!

  • Salman Abbasy  On October 9, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    The Pakistani government has accepted the American ambassador’s apology and agreed to re-open the Torkham supply route. That was to be expected. The foundational document of this government is the NRO negotiated by American and British diplomats for safeguarding their national interests in the post-Musharraf era. The American ambassador has disclosed that Tariq Aziz, Lt Gen Nadeem Taj and Rehman Malik participated in the negotiations for their respective leaders. My question is: who was upholding Pakistan’s interests?
    A.K.Marshall’s reference to the American district attorney’s comment on the Pakistani nation is not the full story. That district attorney was hounded by a US-based Pakistani journalist until he tendered apology and withdrew his insulting remarks. General Musharraf’s Information Ministry went into overdrive, pressured that journalist’s employer, a leading private news agency, to sack him and got his UN accreditation cancelled. Now he does odd jobs to support his paraplegic wife and small child. Pakistan’s champions beware!

    • KAMAL KHAN  On October 10, 2010 at 3:31 am

      LILY LIVERED PANSIES!

  • S. Khalid Husain  On October 9, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Stepping up of drone attacks is last Hurrah for the Taliban– if these don’t work more dreadful things are in the offing

  • Younus Khan  On October 9, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    I think Pakistan should be not part of this war. And we don’t need to open the route majority Pakistani think same it’s USA war he should face ……
    Due to USA politics we are in trouble ….

  • Jeffrey Villaveces ‎  On October 9, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    My problem with the whole blame game for what is going on is that the US is supporting Karzai unequivocally, this undermines their ability to criticize Pakistan or even Iran for that matter. You can say that they have to do it, but it’s just an untenable position and it destroys US moral authority to demand anything or to accuse Pakistan of anything.

  • Javed Chaudhry  On October 10, 2010 at 3:19 am

    Thanks for your views and good questions that you have raised. In fact, you support what I wrote earlier. I think, there is nothing of the sort as has been alleged repeated by the American stooge Karzai. He keeps repeating his lies like an endless tape according to what he has been instructed by his keepers, the CIA. Karzai, simply wants to keep the conflict going for as long as the Americans have money to throw at it. Karzai’s brother is Afghanistan’s largest drug lord with the help of CIA. And Hamid Karzai gets his share of the loot. He can only stay the Mayer of Kabul as long as the American troops are around. The day, the Americans decide to leave, Karzai brothers will be sitting in California. He will not survive an hour in Kabul without the Americans.

    The Americans or Karzai have no trouble from Wazeristan, in fact CIA is quietly funding TTP (for their terrorism in Pakistan) and at the same time bombing them with their drones. Surprised? CIA always plays double game. It is called lighting the candle on both ends.

    Javed

  • KAMAL KHAN  On October 10, 2010 at 3:30 am

    Mubashir
    ONLY UNDER PAKISTAN’s CONDITIONS. And Mubashir STOP licking American shoes..

    :))

    Cheers

    Kamal Khan

    • umer basra  On October 10, 2010 at 11:41 am

      The solution of all our prevailing issues is to get rid of current government and their policies and to get rid of all those who already governed very weakly in Pakistan since 1947 and then to re-establish a new structure of government in our country based on truely Islamic foundations with the current and Noval strategies complemented with 21st century IJTi-HAD in Islam which really would have the potential to make us at par with the world. Un-less, we succeed in accomplishing such a frame work, we would never be able to resolve our issues. To accomplish such a consolidated structure in our country, we need genius, cautious optimistic, truly Islamic with no hypocritic mask on face, brave, generous and strong Momin Leaders. This is the only single solid solution of problems in our country, where we need a revolution to rid of all dirty faces who been born in Pakistan, but they are not pakistani. May Allah make our motherland peaceful and developed in the world.

  • khalid Khan khan  On October 10, 2010 at 3:35 am

    What I belive these comments were made in connection with Aimal Kasi arrerst and subsequent punishment in 2004,if I am not wrong and Aimal Kasi arrest and handing over was facilitated by Farooq Laghari in the capicity of presedent. As for as the Nato suuply stopage is concerned for how long Pak mighty agencies will proccede with double standard? its the era of exposition and its the era of negotiating national interest with didnity. Can any body tells that as a nation where do we stand?

  • Javed Chaudhry  On October 10, 2010 at 3:37 am

    First of all the question is what are the Americans doing in the region? Are they not the invadors like the Soviets were during 1980s? Second, they have close to 200 000 troops in Afghanistan, are you telling me they cannot detect Wazeristan Taliban (TTP) members going all the way to Afghanistan over the mountains (Durand Line), hit the Americans and safely come back to their hideouts in Wazeristan? I cannot imagine people are taking that seriously. There are well over 10-12 million Afghan Taliban in Afghanistan do they really need help from 4-5 million in Wazirestan on the east side of the Durand Line?

    Make no mistake about it, Its part of the strategy of the US/CIA to make Pakistani people think that way. The US/Karzai gang is in serious talks with the Taliban (I mean the real Taliban, not the make believe, Wazirestan Taliban, TTP thugs). But the Americans do not allow Pakistan to talk to the Wazeristan TTP. Why? The Americans wan to create a disharmony within Pakistan between various ethnic and religious groups. Do you not see the number of suicidal bombings and target killings that have been taking place in Pakistan during the last few years? Can you not draw parallel to what was done in Iraq by American troops and CIA?

    Pakistan has nothing to gain by quarreling with Afghan Taliban or TTP, for that matter. Pakistan must do what is good for its own people and its own future. Enough is enough, Pakistan has to learn to stop pleasing the US. By pleasing the Americans, there are more losses than there are gains. The Americans are friends of no one. They want every one to fall in line to serve them. No one is bombing any one back to the stone age. Pakistan is already close to that morally and economically. Now is the time to pick up the pieces and do the right thing – and the right thing is calling the Pakistani army back from Wazeristan and stopping the drones or shooting them down. The war on terror in fact is war of terror. It has created more terror that it ever existed. Terror is created wherever the Americans go. We have to learn that from observations and the American history of dealing with Muslims wherever they may be. Don’t forget, the Zionists are controlling the American foreign policies.

    Javed

    • Nasim Hassan  On October 10, 2010 at 7:58 am

      Americans really do not understand the region. They rely on paid consultants from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Europe and USA. These consultants particularly from the USA come to Pakistan stay somewhere in five stars residences, meet a few journalists and then write big articles in New York Times and Washington Post.

      The whole thing keeps on swirling around and all politicians bite into it. The real journalist like Eric Margolis who have spent years are too blunt for them to handle because they speak the truth. So even after nine years of war the US and NATO have very little to show for their efforts.

      When the US and NATO leaves then Afghanistan will go back to the same place.

      I have been trying to tell American politicians but very little seem to happen. So keep on watching because the USA and NATO can afford unending war.

      Nasim Hassan

  • am malik  On October 10, 2010 at 3:38 am

    A pertinent question remains i.e why does the US and Afghans oppose fencing Pakistan Afghanistan border when it can restrict the entry of the so called Talibans to and from either sides?And when Pakistanis were purging the TTP fellows why did the Americans leave their border posts which facilitated the rogue TTP fellows to shelter in Afghanistan?

    am

  • Javed Chaudhry  On October 10, 2010 at 3:44 am

    CONDEMNATION:
    This government is not an elected government, it is an ‘installed’ government – installed through NRO by the order of Uncle Sam. The US was not very happy with Musharraf’s performance in providing an unfailing service to the US and its agenda. BB and her husband went to Washington in 2007 and promised to deliver more to the US by being much more compliant to the wishes of Uncle Sam then Musharraf could ever be. In order to try this out, Musharraf was ordered to clear the way for the new compradors by hook or by crook. NRO is that instrument of “hook or by crook” to deliver Pakistan on a silver platter to Uncle Sam.

    Because of its unfailing compliance to the US interests in the region, the present government cannot and will not take a step that can go against the American interests. The present government is not serving Pakistan or its interests, but it serves Washington wholeheartedly and diligently.

    The NATO route was allowed to stop temporarily to calm down masses of Pakistan. Eventually the business will be as usual. After all, the US owns the region, just as it owns Iraq. This is a new way of colonizing the countries. Unlike the old times, the colonial viceroys do not come from London but they are chosen from within the colonies to be ruled. The present government is nothing but viceroys installed by Washington.

    In view of what has been going on since 9/11 and especially since 2008, after the present government was put in place, Pakistan is moving rapidly towards Balkanization. In the interest of the security of Pakistan, it is essential to remove the present government. Unfortunately, there is no way to accomplish that. The army is the only route one could ordinarily think of, in order to come in and save the country from the sticky fingers of the thugs, but at the present time, the army is fully subservient to Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam is not in favor of removing the present government, they are the most compliant bunch, where would Uncle Sam find such an ilk of compliant servants again?

    The army action on Wazeristan and the drone attacks are nothing but a way to start a civil war, to create disharmony within Pakistan, destroy businesses, reduce exports and increase imports to make it a morally and financially bankrupt state. After achieving this, there will be proposals from the US to break up the country, that is, Balkanization. There will be riots in Balochistan, CIA would take covert actions to fund and support locals to separate from Pakistan. New set of Balochi compradors will be created and then the UN will recognize a separate state, Balochistan. The US will love to see that happen, as they will have a direct access to Afghanistan and eventually to the Central Asian Caspian region for oil and gas.

    Most people in Pakistan are not familiar with the American imperialistic designs, they are too wrapped up worrying about expensive floor, sugar and lack of electricity. The electricity shortage is kept the way it is to ensure the destruction of the industry, an important step to bankrupt the country.

    Javed

  • Mian Abrar  On October 10, 2010 at 3:44 am

    Very rich and deep analysis Mr Chaudhry. Keep it up

    Bravo

    Regards

    Mian Abrar

  • Siddiqi  On October 10, 2010 at 3:48 am

    Brother Mubashir ASA,

    You are starting it in the wrong way. Please think the other way round. Who started the chain of Oppression first? if the oppressors stop their game plan, the reaction will evaporate instantaneously. Please think over this equation with patience. shukrun

    Siddiqi

  • Niaz Gul  On October 10, 2010 at 3:49 am

    dono taraf sa nuqsan bagunah awam ka he horaha ha.
    mahingaee taxess, atta buhran, chene buhran, balke zindage azab ho gae

  • Majyd  On October 10, 2010 at 5:12 am

    Yes.

    No one seems to understand that soon the oil stock in Afghanistan will be critically low and then when the border is opened NATO will demand immediate supply.

    Thus our stock will be diverted to NATO and with the circular debt impacting on PSO few L/Cs have been opened.

    We will witness an oil crisis. Meantime government Ministers are rejoicing that we have not blinked in the eyeball to eyeball contest.

    The e.coli is about to hit the fan.

  • Moazzam Hussain  On October 10, 2010 at 5:13 am

    How about open Torkham, open Wagah. Let Pakistan make peace with the world and stop the drift towards becoming a pariah.
    T

  • Ehtisham Rana  On October 10, 2010 at 5:16 am

    Beggars can never be chooser….can Pakistan afford closure of supply to Nato…can Drones attacks be stopped..
    Only Zinda Dil Log can afford which we are not…Leaders seek asylum in U.K…Dubai..Jeddah under patronage
    of U.S.A….feel pride in serving U.S. rather than serving people of Pakistan…even salaried class..
    Leaders ,political or religious feel good when meet any small level envoy of AAQA..U.S.A….We are modern time slaves.
    Pakistan can not stop NATO supply… Question is based on self deception….Economy is linked with LOANS and AIDS

  • pakpotpourri2  On October 10, 2010 at 6:41 am

    Thank you all for the tremendous input. I have read all views carefully & learnt much from them.
    Best
    YAA

  • Mohammad Bajwa  On October 10, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Moreover Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghan and Pakistan Islami groups invited the Americans. It was like inviting a Tiger to help get rid of the Bear. What are we now cribbling about.

  • sabir aman  On October 10, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Sikandar Baluch:
    Yes, it’s not that simple. It is strange that thousands of US and Nato forces have failed to eliminate the few Taliban and still blame Pakistan. Our region is in the focus of ‘world game’ and there are many players, striving to promote their own national interests. At the moment our rulers can’t close the border, they need dollars to run their cash starved government.

  • Col. Riaz Jafri  On October 10, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Sikandar Baluch: My simple question :

    Are the ISI and Pak agencies doing what you say doing FOR or AGAINST Pakistan?

    If they are doing FOR Pakistan then you as a good Pakistani should assist them.

    And if they are doing it AGAINST Pakistan, then they are NOT Pakistani agencies and we all must stand against them.

    Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

    • khalid Khan khan  On October 10, 2010 at 11:42 am

      It is very important to decide that is Pakistan is all about Punjab? Smaller provinces are justified in saying that establishment(Army,Civilian,political,intelectual and elite club) concider only Punjab is Pakistan. Bieng a Pakhtoon givem me equal rights,traet me as Pakistani then yes a very big yes we would coopewrate with agencies. convince us,dont impose on us
      win our hearts by love,not by gun. dont forget Bengalies. dont creat more states. love ur country and love ur people. treat every pakistani as equal and army must remember they had nothing good fore the country. army is with falls perception that they are custodians of the state.

    • Sikander Baluch  On October 11, 2010 at 12:48 am

      Dear Col Riaz SB.

      I am talking the situation within the country in perticular ,Whatever they have doing since last decay,in Baluchistan and within Pak,apparently you may say its in favor,but in reality ,they are making their own ppl against state,which is been very dangerous.I visited for reporting purpose in Baluchistan in 2008,the hate among common people,students,middle class,lower class in every walk of life, was unbelievable against state,that state of mind is growing their,and among other victim provinces sir .do not forget bengalies,..god forbid for an other sakot balochistan or sindh,Agencies,they are superior,there role later seems doubtfull,they misshandle situtions accordinly,they kidnaped any one any time any where,without any solid reason,torcher own ppl ,killing own ones,still there is list of thousand missing peoples. thats very in human against law and order,which may lead to dislousion,state within state,that’s not in interest of state sir.being Pakistani we should dare to say whats right and whats wrong for the interest of state,to make it strengthen and sovereign state rather then failure,we have to change those rigid mindsets of military and Mulaism.long live Pak

      • Shakeel Cheema  On October 11, 2010 at 12:49 am

        Dear Col. Raiz Jafri,

        I want to answer you question but before answering your question, I just want to ask a simple question like you asked.

        Who picked up Ameel Kansi, and Dr. Afia Siddique from Pakistan. I have other names as well but please answer only about these two persons.

        I hope my question will be answered.

  • Tariq Ehsanullah  On October 10, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Dear Ms. Yasmeen

    Assalamo Alaikum

    Thank U for the information. There is no violence worse than the violence of the occupier, using force against an entire nation. I feel that Pakistan has been a party to all the sufferings of the Afghan
    Muslim brothers, occupation and destruction of Afghanistan ever since the war on terror was launched in 2001. We need a leader with policies of like Ahmadi Nijad or Imam khomani of Iran for USA to stop further blood shed and destruction in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    Pakistani people are very talented and hard working and possess all the talents and capabilities of promoting research and development in every field, if they can get rid of the corrupt ruling elite and are provided opportunities for self sustained and healthy growth in the country like Iran. By strengthening our sincere love for our people and by promoting our connection with Allah Subhanahu Wa Taala and His Messenger Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihe Wassalam and with the entire Muslim Ummah,

    Our people can also live without American aid but our ruling elite, the generals and the senior bureaucrats, who have been the descendants and continuation of the colonial rule, cannot live without support from American and British governments and their aid even if they have to sell or kill their own people and destroy their own country.

    My Salams and salute to the Pakistani nation.

    Wassalam

    Tariq Ehsanullah
    Toronto, Canada

  • Jamil Zaidi  On October 12, 2010 at 2:11 am

    I agree with the writer that the US has displayed it’s short-sighted foreign policies all along irrespective it’s chaging regimes. Victim of this shortsightedness unfortunately has all along been Pakistan. In fact Pakistan is a country where people refuse to learn from History& keep sending their representatives to National Assembly whose presence has already been detrimental to their national interest. The country’s performance is on the decline. Apart from selfish vested interest, members of the National & Provincial Assemblies were academically zero & absolutely incapable of understanding the everchanging requirements of international scenario. Will it be possible unless qualificationss of MPA’s & MNA”s is raised to post-graduate or Doctoral level. Will this ever be possible or these nincomppooish public representatives would keep blaming the Armed Forces who perforce have to intervene when country is at the brink of disaster. It is time for Electorate to think before it is too late.

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