Ten Years and Still Not Clear?

By: Brig.FB Ali

It is rather remarkable that, ten years after having drawn Pakistan into its war in Afghanistan, the US is still not clear on the motivations that underlie Pakistan’s stance in this war, where they’re coming from, where they’re going. This doesn’t just apply to the self-styled ‘experts’ in Washington’s numerous think tanks; it also seems to apply, surprisingly, to administration policy makers.

Typifying this confusion is the US government’s invention of the AfPak term to describe the theatre in which the war is going on. A term that had to be hastily dropped by officials, at least for public use, after Pakistan made it clear that it wasn’t amused. However, the US still thinks of it as the AfPak war, in which Pakistan’s function is to backstop and bolster US operations in Afghanistan. The generals conducting that war find it convenient to ascribe their lack of success to Pakistan’s failure to deliver, and keep demanding that Washington do something about it.

This has led to the US alternately trying the carrot and the stick to get Pakistan to meet its requirements. Sometimes, money in the billions is offered as aid, on other occasions officials go to Islamabad, pound the table and make dire threats. So far, nothing seems to have really worked. The Pakistanis have been promising to clean up North Waziristan (as the US demands) for a long time, but won’t say exactly when. In public, US officials make sweet talk about strategic partnerships and such, in private, they probably grind their teeth and use unprintable language. It might be more constructive if they understood the problem they are dealing with.

The basic reality is that, in return for the substantial aid that the US is providing it, Pakistan will go along with US needs and requirements as far as it can, but it will not cross the red line where its own security is jeopardised. That line also extends to North Waziristan at present (as discussed below). The other red line for Pakistan, the one it will not let any other country (including the US) cross, is its sovereignty.

Pakistan considers the biggest (perhaps the only) threat to its security comes from India. Its other major border (longer even than the one with India) is that with Afghanistan. Even though this border is not well defined in part, and sometimes disputed, Afghanistan in itself is not considered a security threat by Pakistan. However, it becomes a threat when it is under the control (or even influence) of a hostile power (exactly what the British thought when they ruled India). That is why Pakistan played such an active role in the war to oust Soviet troops from Afghanistan in the 1980s. Not because of the money the US gave it, but for its own security.

The current threat that Pakistan sees arising from Afghanistan is from the influence that India has acquired there, and the possibility of that increasing in the future. Pakistan will do whatever it takes to prevent Afghanistan from becoming an Indian client state. It would like, if possible, to ensure a future Afghanistan that is friendly, and it will do what is possible to bring that about. If that doesn’t happen, it will be content with a neutral Afghanistan. But it will not allow Afghanistan to become a hostile country.

The US AfPak war is over. Everyone knows that ‒ the Afghans, the regional powers, the Europeans, and now even the Americans (though some Permanent Warriors still have difficulty admitting it). So, what did it achieve, this 10-year war that killed and maimed tens of thousands of people, including lots of young Americans, and cost the US billions upon billions of dollars? About all it did was to knock down the Afghan chessboard, which deep war weariness in the country had enabled the Taliban to stabilize.

Now the board is being set up again, the Afghan pieces are manoeuvring to place themselves in the best opening positions, while the outside players are picking the pieces they are going to back. The US finds itself left with little choice but to back Hamid Karzai, upon whom it cannot fully rely. Karzai is also supported by India, which also backs some of the old Northern Alliance leaders. Iran has its players in the Karzai administration, and, possibly, Gulbuddin Hikmatyar in the insurgency. Pakistan will back the Taliban and the Haqqani insurgent groups.

Based upon its past experience, Pakistan would be under no illusion that its protection and support of the Taliban and the Haqqani insurgents would translate into any kind of allegiance if they established themselves in Afghanistan. All it could count on would be their goodwill. The major attraction they have for Pakistan is that they can be relied upon to never come under the influence of India or Russia or the US. An Afghanistan ruled by them, or one in which they had adequate say, would not be a security worry for Pakistan. That is why it has a vital interest in their being strong players in the game about to begin.

Looked at from this angle, what the US is asking Pakistan to do is to attack and weaken its own pieces in the upcoming Afghan power game in order to strengthen the US’s (and India’s) piece ‒ Hamid Karzai. It is quite unrealistic to expect that Pakistan will thus undermine its own future security, whatever bribes and bullying the US resorts to. Impatient with Washington’s inability to get results, Gen Petraeus recently attacked the Haqqani group in North Waziristan ‒ without Pakistani permission. This crossed the second of Pakistan’s red lines ‒ its sovereignty ‒ and the response was immediate, and crushing : the US supply line into Afghanistan was cut. That particular tactic now appears to be effectively closed for the US.

Some time back Pakistan made an interesting proposal to the US : instead of depending on Karzai to protect and further future US interests in Afghanistan, why not support Pakistan, which would undertake to do so? Naturally, the ‘world’s only superpower’ gave that short shrift. That leaves the US playing a weak hand in the coming Great Game. Its player, Karzai, could easily turn rogue, or he could lose effective power. Addicted to the use of military force, the US probably thinks it can restore the balance by employing it again, this time in ‘surgical strikes’. Nothing is more likely to ensure that this whole area remains a continuing threat to US security.

The bottom line about AfPak would appear to be this. The US cannot win there ‒ because nobody can, nobody ever has. And, Pakistan cannot lose ‒ because it cannot afford to, and because geography and history are on its side.

(The writer was a Brigadier in Pakistan Armed Forces ,a free lance writer & a blogger).

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  • Zafar Akhtar  On October 27, 2010 at 4:40 am

    The writer very correctly concludes that the war is almost over without USA/West achieving any thing.Then the point is how USA/West will respond to the people of Afghanistan as well as Pakistan for causing immence suffering to them including loss of lifes.If USA/West wanted an arrangement with the Taleban( as they are now negotiating), they should have instead paid heed to the proposal Pakistan had put forward before 9/11.
    In my opinion USA/West should first of all appologise to the people of afghanistan and Pakistan for their mistakes committed and should compensate edequately for the sufferings
    I hope , knowing the development in the region, Pakistan should not be fooled to initiate an operation in North Wazirestan thereby antagonizing the Haqqani and other factions and create more problems for the country.


    • Rashid Inam  On October 27, 2010 at 4:51 am

      Very aptly stated Rashid Sahib-but-as we see,USA seems NOT to have learnt a lesson & is hell bent on pressursing Pakistan,”an ally” into deeper mess & THEN blaming Pakistan for all evil.

  • Z T  On October 27, 2010 at 6:43 am

    Some thoughts. In order to remove Karzai’s reliance on India, Pakistan could guarantee protection to Karzai when his downfall occurs, and it will. Second Pakistan should be open that it is not the pawn of the US and act in that manner rather than doing a yes-sir-no-sir dance. It has nothing to gain, but a prolonging of the war. The US can not do anything in Afghanistan without Pakistan’s help, and an all out invasion of Pakistan will be a disaster for all. Pakistan should force Karzai to negotiate with the winner of this war, the Taliban, and allow for the US to declare its silly little victory.

  • S U Turkman  On October 27, 2010 at 6:55 am

    Brig. Ali wrote:
    “The US cannot win there ‒ because nobody can, nobody ever has”
    I feel bad that History can not change because he says so. Following is History of Afghanistan that used to be not as far west as it is now and is not as far east as it used to be (up to River Indus or Sindh until 1809):
    * 3000 B.C. to 2000 B.C. : People of Indus Civilization. Capital Mundizak, near what is now Kandahar.
    * 2000 B.C. to 1800 B.C. : Central Asian people.
    * 1800 to 800 B.C. : Persians.
    * 800 to 600 B.C. : Archaemenid Persians.
    * 600 to 330 B.C. : Greeks and Seleucids.
    * 330 to 305 B.C. : Greeks
    * 305 to 185 B.C. : Hindu Mauriya from India (Chunder GupTe).
    * 185 B.C. to 557 A.D. : Greco-Romans.
    * 700 A.D. to 3rd Century : Indian Buddhist Kashan in Eastern and northern part.
    * 557 to 7th Century : Sasaani Persians (Khosro) in the West.
    * 1219 to 15th Century : Mongols (Ghangiz Khan, Holako Khan, Amir Taimoor) .
    * 1529 to 1600 A.D. : Moguls. (Babar, HomayoN, Akbar, Jehangir, Shahjehan)
    * 16th to 17th Century: Khanate of Bokhara, (Northern & Western Afghanistan)
    * 18th to 19th Century: Persians (Safvis).
    * 1809 to 1870 A.D. : Sikhs (Ranjit Singh sacked Kabul 1809, reconquered Peshawar 1834)
    * 1870-80 to 1927 A.D. : British.
    (Western Afghanistan belonged to Persians until 1920’s. Whoever ruled Persia ruled that part also).
    * 1870 to 1947: British (Western Afghanistan from Durand Line to River Sindh)
    * 1947 to now: Pakistan (Western Afghanistan from Durand line to River Sindh)
    Brig. Ali wrote:
    “And, Pakistan cannot lose ‒ because it cannot afford to, and because geography and history are on its side”.
    Right because USA does not know that Pakistan is behind Taliban. … Pakistan can afford to let Afghans remain free because they were free before Taliban and Pak Army Invasion of 1996. … History is not on side of Pakistan because besides conquering Afghanistan through Taliban mischief, Pak Army has never won any wars against even India. … Pak Army is playing a very dangerous deadly game because if USA finds out, its Pakistan that she is fighting in Afghanistan, that could be the end of Pakistan as it exists today. Good Luck Liars …!

  • Zafar Akhtar  On October 27, 2010 at 7:48 am

    It seems that Mr Turkman is responding on behalf of India/RAW who have already lost for Influence in Afghanistan along with USA.The fact remains there cannot be a viable solution for Afghanistan without the support of Pakistan.
    And what USA can do if they discover Pakistan intention.
    Pakistan is not Afghanistan or Iraq.Even India whose defence forces are five times greater than Pakistan get nightmares about Pakistan forces especially their intelligence wing(ISI)

  • Mian M. Mahmud  On October 27, 2010 at 8:32 am

    It is indeed a very enlightened anaylsis. FB is living a life of forced exile in distant lands for decades, but yet he has not lost touch with his roots in this country. I may not agree with his opinion that we have a redline which we cannot allow it to be crossed. In fact he knows better that our military rulers have always compromised on that, and he suffered for his opposition to it. But what is most pertinent now is that there is the growing realization and the resolve that we will not allow any one to cross that. This still needs to be manifested in our policies that we are adopting. We have to raise our voice loudly, clearly and without any ambiguity; most importantly as a consensus of one united Nation with full resilence.

    His remarks about the self proclaimed think tanks and the specalists of the area, both sitting inside Pakistan and abroad, are most pertinent and are absolutely correct. There are many of us who took innumerable missions to all the remote parts of FATA and had many contacts in the area and had a fair deal of knowledge and awareness, but yet we cannot professto lay any claims to be the experts of the area. Notwithstanding that, there are those who have not even once put their foot in the area or been only in the fringes of it, now pose and examplify the personfication of all wisdom and vision and claim to be authors and the judge of all expert theories and analysis. It is this fallacy that has doomed all the plans and strategies evolved for the past over 10 Years.

    The historical ties of the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan also needs to be understood. While many rulers and many countries have always tried to create cleavages and differnces between the two, but when put to test they have emerged with stronger bonds and closer affinities. This is one process that cannot be changed easily and no one has to plan and work for that. This is exactly what the author has tried to bring out and will prove lasting; much to the stength of Pakistan and disillusionment of all its detractors and enemies.


  • S U Turkman  On October 27, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Mr. Akhtar,
    * Why should USA apologize to Afghans, who are happy and thankful to USA that she has freed them from our Taliban, has raised their standard of living, built Infrastructure etc?
    * Why should Pakistan not stop financing, arming, training and infiltrating her Taliban in to Afghanistan to kill Afghans 10 times more than they kill Westerners?
    * Why should Pakistan not apologize to Afghanistan and stop creating rebellious feelings about herself in PushToons of Pakistan the 17% of her own population, who Pak Army have been killing by hundreds every year to defend Taliban, who have also been killing them in Pakistan?
    * Have you been to Afghanistan and PukhToon Khwah recently? Do you know, 99% of PushToons in PukhToon Khwah would welcome USA if she comes to free them from Pakistan? Do you know, how much Afghans hate Pakistan and especially Punjabis, sir?
    * You are wrong. USA is not negotiating with Taliban. USA has permitted Taliban to enter Afghanistan since Karzai wants to talk with them and USA has to respect with his decision on this because he is an Elected Leader of that country.
    * Why are you declaring USA responsible for all the suffering that Pak Army has caused since start of infiltrating Taliban back in to Afghanistan by the end of 2003?
    * Had not Mollaa Zaeef said in published statement after defeat of his Government in Afghanistan that USA had killed only 1400 of his people?
    * What is your logic in saying Pakistan should not stop Taliban from attacking Afghans, US and Troops of 55 nations of the world including troops of 5 Moslim Countries in NATO?
    * Is Pak Army advance enough to defend itself if USA changes her mind and starts Daisy Bombing Pak Army just like she had bombed our Taliban in to Stone Age?
    Your comments sound foolish to me just like the comments of West Pakistanis in 1971.

    • Laila  On October 27, 2010 at 12:24 pm

      RAW must be paying you REALLY well.

    • Paki Peacenik  On November 15, 2010 at 7:23 pm

      Turkman seems like a mad Northerner or a blood thirsty illiterate Afghan, both of whom have been raiders and pirates for the last so many centuries. He US is there to grab the minerals, oil & gas. Look at what they did to Iraq! They even stole their centuries old museum pieces. Read Gen. Norman Shwarzkopf’s biography that includes his account of the first Gulf War. He says that they were about to capture or kill Saddam when Gen Colin Powel ordered him to let Saddam go free. He says that he was at a loss to understand why this was so.
      USA is also running the biggest drug production & marketing operation to finance its bankrupt government.
      It seems very probable that Turkman is really a member of RAW or Mosad or the US special forces. They have wreaked havoc in Pakistan & Afghanistan.
      Let Pakistan & Afghanistan alone or you will all get burned yourself. Instead of war why don’t you trade? There are more opportunities in reconstruction and development than war.

  • S U Turkman  On October 27, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Mr. Inam,
    I think, Pak Army has not learnt any lesson from her miserable defeat of 1971 against India. USA has lost lives of 1300 Soldiers only and population of USA is 314 million. Average of Homicides in just Chicago is higher than 1300. What lesson do you think, USA could learn with just 1300 Soldiers that our Taliban have killed in Afghanistan in last 9 years despite that we ‘Nmak Hraam’ people have been living off US Charity of Aid since 1953 and Loans since 1955 of which we have not paid back a Penny?
    Mr. Akhtar,
    Killing the Messenger that brought a message that we did not like was an ancient custom in Savage Arab World before Islam but I guess, you believe in it still. You are wrong. USA has a solution of Daisy Bombing the Pak Army to Stone Age and end Pakistan as it exists. If India was ever scared of Pakistan, she would have not listened to USSR in 1965 and 1971 and would not have listened to USA in 1998 and 2003. She is an experienced Mid-wife, that had delivered a Baby out of pregnant Pakistan in 1971. This time, it seems she could deliver 4 or 5 of them. All Obama has to do is, give a Green Light to that Midwife of Pakistan. Obama has not done this so far because he has a soft heart for Pakistan but sounds like Pak Army and its lovers are asking for it.
    Mr. Z.T,
    You think, Pakistan has nothing to gain by prolonging the Sneak Attack Terrorism of its Mercenaries, the Taliban?
    I wish Pak Army believed that. If she had, USA would have already left Afghanistan. .
    * Had not Pakistanis started crying as soon as USA stopped giving Charity after USSR’s Army left Afghanistan?
    * Has not been Pak Army begging USA for more Charity of Weapons and Charity for Floods and Economy etc so, Taliban can not take over Pakistan?
    * Has not been Pak Army been scaring USA and the world for past few years that if Taliban take over Pakistan, all the Nuclear Arsenal would be in their hands?
    * Is this not a lie because even Pakistanis know, Taliban work for ISI and they can never takeover their country?
    * Why are you calling Pakistan a Puppet of USA, when you know, ‘Nmak Hraam’ Pak Army that was built from a scratch of 16 Tanks, who’s Military Bases, Air Force Basis, Airfields, Underground Hangers with Air Plane Lifts were built for free by USA in 1950’s and 1960’s has been backstabbing USA for last 8 years?
    Could anybody tell me, why we Moslims have to be so ‘Nmak Hraam’ that we even back-stab, who we have been living off and who has saved existence of our country 4 times since 1965?
    Do you believe there is a God and one day you people will have to die?
    I feel very ashamed, reading all this B.S. as a former Pakistani because this kind of character is worse than being a Kaafir and is not really Islam.

  • Syed Ataur Rahman  On October 27, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Brigadier Sb, a very well written article that precisely and concisely tells us of what is the true situation in Afghanistan, US position and Pakistan’s role. I think the USA has already understood the futility of this war. Some Neo cons and so called US conservatives, most of whom are Jews are bewildered by this development. And of course our great friends the hegemonic neighbour to our east is having loose motions. Not USA or any western powers are that much worried; it is the Indians who are frightened out of their pants and the bania would be scurrying for new strategy about the fast changing fate of Afghanistan. So they will do all in their power to keep US troops there as they themselves do not have the wherewithal to involve their military men in Afghanistan. They know well from their past experience of committing their troops in Sri Lanka quite recently the disastor that struck them there, and they had to make a hasty retreat leaving behind their dead soldiers and huge arsenal. Yet the Indians play a dangerous game and throughout the period of US involvement in Afghanistan, have caused instability and deaths in Pakistan. This is very well understood by Pakistan who will no doubt remember the Indian role.
    Better for Karzia (who will not last long unless he changes his orientation, and which he seems to be already doing wisely and for his very survival). He is a crafty man and his sympathies with the Indians and Northern Alliance is well known.
    However, United States or their allies are not Pakistan’s enemies. Even if they have sided with the Indians in most strategic issues, they have supported Pakistan financially. So they in turn should not consider Pakistan as enemies and instead safely and without hesitation task Pakistan to look after their interest in the region and then withdraw in peace rather than escape as they once did from Vietnam. Brigadier Sb’s suggestion in this regard is most appropriate.
    Readers, I once again warn you to be careful reading this man ‘Shri Bhaskar Singh Padhu’ alias turkman, a paid Indian(RAW) agent who has been given the task to monitor and infuse confusion by his calculated disinformation. He is a trained saboteur.

  • Khalid  On October 27, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Brig. Ali’s post outlines the Pakistani perspective that has been with us for a number of years now. There is the other perspective of the US and it has held Pakistan as the cause of its failure in Afghanistan.
    In “Obama’s War,” the military and its leader Gen Kayani are painted as perfidious who are responsible for running convoys of Taliban from safe heavens in FATA that are under control of the Pak military – specifically the 7th Div (P. 367). In other words it is a charge sheet against Pakistan for being a duplicitious ally!
    I think we in Pakistan need to note that the recently concluded Strategic Dialogue does not mean a thing. If we examine the negative narrative about Pakistan that persists in the US media and official circles – it clearly portrays Pakistan as the central problem. We have not responded in the form of a counter narrative built on what Pakistan has suffered as a result of adopting the War on Terror as its own; how many soldiers and citizens have died avenging the American dead in NY after the 9/11 incident. How Pakistan has been made a brittle state, how our own citizens in Swat and elsewhere have become enemies of their own nation. Yet, Pakistan is called all sorts of names. No Pakistani official has objected to the operations of the 3000 Afghan manned Counter-Terrorist force operating inside FATA and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa under the JSOC.
    I think pakistan should wake up and realize the eminent danger that it is in – the issues that Brig Ali has raised appear quite far flung in the face of the other existentialist threat facing Pakistan. I think we are in the cross hair of US ire and need to take this threat very seriously; in our eagerness to have a friendly Afghanistan let us not lose Pakistan!

  • FB Ali  On October 27, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Brig Mahmud,

    Thank you for your kind words.

    My remarks apply to the present. And in the context of national security being in the hands of the military, not the government.

  • Col Shahbaz  On October 27, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Another Ten years it will be still be the same Unless some uses brains to to think

  • Brig Latif  On October 27, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    That is the absolute truth about Pakistan’s concerns and compulsions….!
    ‘Our friends’ need to understand these facts. The question raised by the author ( Ten years and still not clear..?), is most pertinent. In fact it ‘says it all’. It is not believeable that the US think tanks don’t understand this. I believe they very much do. But perhaps ‘our friends’ have different plans for us…….and that should be (AND IS) the main cause of concern for us Pakistanis.

  • Bajwa  On October 28, 2010 at 1:27 am

    Brig. F. B. Ali has summed it up beautifully. The oddity is that the US is seemingly in a state of denial to these ground realities mentioned by the Brig. Capt. Cook’s book on Afghan War should be enough for a strategy planner to refrain from un-calculated blunders. Moreover, Young Karzai is a used Cartridge why bet on him. Also, most Western commanders fail to fully understand the concept of Shahaadat. In a way it is good that they do not comprehend this element since it goes to my favour.


  • K. Bajwa  On October 28, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Brig. F. B. Ali has summed it up beautifully. The oddity is that the US is seemingly in a state of denial to these ground realities mentioned by the Brig. Capt. Cook’s book on Afghan War should be enough for a strategy planner to refrain from un-calculated blunders. Moreover, Mr. Karzai is a used Cartridge, why bet on him. Also, most Western commanders fail to fully understand the concept of Shahaadat. In a way it is good that they do not comprehend this element since it goes to our favour.

  • Rafiq Mian  On October 28, 2010 at 2:04 am

    I really do get a kick out of such questions and notions. Was any body holding his or her breath towards the count of ten? I wasn’t. I still am not. Will not ever, because I know better.

    War is a filthy game and (let me shout it into your ears) its tenure is totally indeterministic. It is determined by …. you know ……?

    I am told that the 100 year’s war (so labeled) lasted for 116. Does it mater?

    To me, man only backs of into peace out of tiresomeness because of having being in war/defeated or perhaps because of having proven a point. Either way, it incites him into new wars.

    You can reduce this notion down to our familial soap operas.

  • Syed Mustufa Zaidi  On October 28, 2010 at 2:05 am

    This will never be clear, unless or untill distant foriegn powers stop interferring in the regional issues. The mess created by USA & NATO forces be left upon Afganistan, Paksitan, Iran, Turkey & China, only then there is a possibility of some solution.

    • Rafiq Mian  On October 28, 2010 at 4:58 pm

      Reading upon this article: I summed up the following scenarios:

      1. Pakistan seemingly operates under a cohesive, well thought out plan doctored in accordance with the call of the situation.

      2. The war in Afghanistan must be lost by US, because nobody ever has won there.

      3. Pakistan cannot lose ‒ because it cannot afford to, and because geography and history are on its side.

      All of these notions are nothing but clichés.


      The way the government of Pakistan is seemingly in works today – Lord behold – appears like the operatives of Sheeday, Shamay and Pajan.


      Yes Afghanistan was never defeated. Come on, think deep ! Defeat and victory should not be looked at in terms of raising/lowering of flags or “gHutnay tHekna”. Victory/Defeat must be looked at in terms of totality. To me, today there is no other country so defeated as Afghanistan. Not their fault – they just existed in the mouth of Khyber Pass. On the other hand, Japan/Germany are victors in defeat.


      What are you talking about? Minus East Pakistan, Baluchistan, Karachi, Waziristan, on and on. Is somebody seeing a different Pakistan than I?

      A wake up exercise to say the least?

  • FB Ali  On October 28, 2010 at 2:20 am

    I would like to thank those who appreciated the article.

    I should clarify that it was written for a US audience, and posted initially on a US blog: http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/10/pakistan-and-afpak-fb-ali.html.

    In it I tried to analyze what I think is likely to happen in Afghanistan in the near-term future, and what the positions and actions of the various players are likely to be. I am certainly not suggesting what anyone (especially Pakistan) should do. I am neither in a position to do that, nor do I think it would serve any purpose.

  • Qamar Iqbal  On October 30, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Good analysis. Doodh ka doodh, pani ka pani.

    Qamar Iqbal

  • S U Turkman  On October 31, 2010 at 3:11 am

    USA is quiet clear. She does not want to leave Afghanistan for Pak Army Mercenaries, the Taliban. She has surprised her Allies by being so patient with Pak Army when they see, she also wants provide Pak Army every chance possible to straighten-out her act before its bombed in to Stone Age. If her Allies thought USA is not clear on objective of its stay in Afghanistan, there would not have been Troops of 57 countries (including 6 Moslim Countries) in Afghanistan and more like Bangaldesh with real grudge against Pak Army joining in.
    The world is behind USA in war against Terrorism and despite so much money offered as Bounty by ISI Taliban and Pak Army Commandos are not succeeding in killing so many of them to worry about their casualties.
    About 1,600 Foreign Troops have been killed by Taliban in Afghanistan and more than 16,000 Pakistanis since 2001. They have also killed over 20,000 Afghans. Pak Army is not realizing 1300 US Casualties for country of 314 million are nothing because more than 1300 die in Homicides just in New York every year and about 10,000 Americans die in Traffic Accidents every year. Population of other 57 countries, who’s Troops are in Afghanistan is about a billion.
    Just yesterday 1:30 am Afghanistan Time, 30 Pak Army Commandos and 53 Taliban attacked a NATO Outpost near Pak Border in Afghanistan. What did it achieve by injuring 4 at the heavy price of 30 of their own? Afghan Army claims, 80 were killed.
    If Pak Army thinks, it can make USA and NATO leave Afghanistan by such failed but well-planned Sneak Attacks, its living in Fool’s Paradise.
    Keep backstabbing USA and NATO is not creating any goodwill in countries, who give Charity of Aid to Pakistan either. All 57 countries know Pakistanis are killing their Soldiers. If Pakistan Loving Obama was not President of USA, Pak Army would have been already bombed in to Stone Age but if Pak Army keeps playing this game, I am afraid, it would be the end of Pakistan as it exists, soon.
    You can fool someone sometimes, not all the time continuously forever because this world is not that stupid.

  • Parvez Amin  On November 1, 2010 at 11:45 am

    It seems to me that all discussion has so far centered around military options. If we can look calmly at a ‘commercial’ solution in which we have a win-win-win solution, it should be hard to resist that the ideal solution for Afghanistan and Pakistan is to jointly negotiate with the US a passage that gives them access to the energy available in the Central Asian Republics.
    All parties to the agreement benefit.
    • Americans get access to the energy resources of Central Asia through a business deal what they have been unable to win by force of arms.
    • The Central Asian Republics get a market for energy surplus to their requirements.
    • Both Pakistan and Afghanistan get at least two benefits each:
    • Royalty for the Right of Way
    • Some of the energy passing through.
    If this is made to happen, what is there to fight about?
    The political party Madadgar Pakistan I am organizing will try to do this; there are other peaceful solutions too… This one is taken from the Madadgar Manifesto in an effort to bring peace and prosperity to all.

  • Paki Peacenik  On November 15, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Your suggestions seem very practical, Parvez Amin.

    This is exactly what I have been telling my friends for long. Why doesnt America think in terms of getting the resources in a legal way, instead of getting them by force?

    They can not only get all the energy they covet, but also get all the employment for their unemployed good for nothing people.

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