Christmas in Portland: Occupying Afghanistan Does Not Make America Safer

By;Michael Hughes    

The Obama administration’s raison d’etre for the Afghan occupation — the purported dismantling of Al Qaeda and elimination of breeding-ground conditions for transnational militants — is as self-defeating as it is abstruse, an assessment proven out by this past weekend’s terror strike in Portland at the hands of a Somali-born operative who tried to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony (and, although mentionable, said attack’s FBI inducement is a polemic for another day).

Even more chilling and vague is the neoconservative camp’s broader aspirations for perpetual war based on euphemisms such as “taking the fight to the terrorists” and “keeping them on the run”.

The Neocon’s logic, also employed to justify the Iraqi excursion, is that U.S. offensives in Islamic nations will strike fear into the hearts of freedom-hating Muslims wherever they may find sanctuary the world over, while the notion these forays might have an antipodal effect, creating more terrorists than they vanquish, is an incomprehensible absurdity to devout patriots, and nonsense that would only be espoused by liberals who hate America.

Matthew Hoh, former marine captain and foreign officer, laid out in a recent Intelligence Squared debate why Obama’s Afghanistan strategy defies commonsense:

[Al Qaeda] is a collection of individuals. It’s not a formal military organization that we can defeat with conventional forces. And think about it. Look back at the last 10 years of their attacks. Their most recent attack, a lady who took two parcel bombs and FedExed them from Yemen. Look at the attacks of the last three years in this country in the sense that they’re done by individuals, small cells, it’s a decentralized organization that will not be affected by the presence of brigade combat teams occupying Southern Afghanistan. So nine years ago 19 men hijacked four airplanes. We’re now in Afghanistan 109 months later with 100,000 troops spending over $100 billion a year.

Plus, many terrorism experts have claimed most of the 9/11 planning took place in Hamburg and not Afghanistan; thus, it’s fair to wonder why the U.S. is not conducting night raids in Germany.

Meanwhile, out of ignorance, Islamophobia or both, right-wing hawks portray the “war on terror” as a cultural clash between Western Judeo-Christian and Islamic civilizations, while generating a level of fear that makes proactive aggression seem rational: let’s kill the lunatic Muslims before they ruin Christmas.

If anyone doubts this, just ask New Orleans Governor Bobby Jindal, a Christian fundamentalist and an emerging great Republican hope, whose ideas on national security should make every U.S. citizen “Praise Jesus” that Jindal has denied harboring Presidential ambitions (or so he claims).

Jindal endorsed the “take it to them” national security stratagem, stating it clearly on Meet The Press and other news shows, while showing a distaste for empathizing with our “sworn enemies” — them Muslims.

Jindal assaulted Obama for acknowledging America’s past sins when abroad and has had it with the President’s political correctness. He said we do not need to understand our enemy, we do not need to understand what motivates them, and we do not need to understand social justice (his words). Jindal claims “they” hate our way of life (and apparently baby Jesus). He stressed how the war against terror is a fundamental clash of cultures with an enemy who disagrees with our freedoms.

It seems Jindal has done all the due diligence necessary, postulating how “they” hate our freedom — a shallow dictum he finds so definitive it bars further psychoanalysis. And so Jindal rants:

Our current therapeutic approach to national security is dangerous. I’m just not interested in empathizing with the grievances of our sworn enemies. Let’s figure out where they’re vulnerable and destroy them.

The truth is, it is Jindal’s approach, mentality and contempt prior to investigation that is dangerous, not to mention downright stupid. Even if one were to suspend disbelief and pretend the war in Afghanistan is a just cause I think General Petraeus would beg to differ with respect to understanding the adversary. Even with his Ivy League education, seems Jindal neglected to read Sun Tzu.

During an interview with the mentally unbalanced Christian leader Pat Robertson — an act in itself that should disqualify Jindal from higher office in the minds of voters — at least sane voters, that is — for the slightest chance he might share Robertson’s view that 9/11 was God’s punishment for America’s fondness of homosexuals. Jindal mentioned that hope is not a sound homeland security strategy, but neither is repressing gays and praying to the Good Lord not to strike us down again.

I know it sounds crazy, but perhaps actually listening to the reasons why “they” hate us, straight from “their” mouths might be useful. As Glenn Greenwald points out:

We hear the same exact thing over and over and over from accused terrorists — that they are attempting to carry out plots in retaliation for past and ongoing American violence against Muslim civilians and to deter such future acts. Here we find one of the great mysteries in American political culture: that the U.S. government dispatches its military all over the world — invading, occupying, and bombing multiple Muslim countries — torturing them, imprisoning them without charges, shooting them up at checkpoints, sending remote-controlled drones to explode their homes, and imposing sanctions that starve hundreds of thousands of children to death . Americans are then baffled when some Muslims — an amazingly small percentage — harbor anger and vengeance toward them and want to return the violence. And here we also find the greatest myth in American political discourse: that engaging in all of that military aggression somehow constitutes Staying Safe and Combating Terrorism — rather than doing more than any single other cause to provoke, sustain and fuel Terrorism.

America’s preemptive war doctrine, predilection to occupy Muslim countries, our penchant to base national security on a literal interpretation of the Bible and general cultural insensitivity has not worked out so well thus far in our “war against Islam”, a project sorely in need of rebranding.

However, we cannot naïvely think people like Osama bin Laden are going to undergo a change of heart because Americans suddenly care about his feelings. Awaiting a cultural transformation resulting in a more tolerant America in the age of Fox news isn’t a prudent approach either.

What is prudent is withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. The U.S. will fail to protect its homeland against a virtual terrorist organization spread out across one hundred countries by bogging down most of our military in one. More importantly, by continuing to tie up our military might in Central Asia, the U.S. will lack the resources during Christmas to scramble jets in order to ensure Santa’s safety.

(Michael Hughes is a journalist and foreign policy strategist for the New World Strategies Coalition (NWSC), a think tank founded by Afghan natives focused on developing political, economic and cultural solutions for Afghanistan. Mr. Hughes is also the Geopolitics Examiner and the Afghanistan Headlines Examiner for Examiner.com).

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  • am malik  On December 1, 2010 at 2:12 am

    Yasmeen
    What we all need to do is to reply to the comments on the blogs of US standard news papers i.e Washington Post, Newyork Times, Slate etc. If we start replying, trust me it will have effect. If all of u agree we can divide the news paper and add our comments to various news papers. pl email me the paper of your choice. We can adjust in a balanced manner so that all of us do not concentrate on a single or two papers
    Best regards
    am

  • Javed Chaudhry  On December 1, 2010 at 2:13 am

    “The security for the American people” is a catch all phrase used to fool the American people to get approval for the war mongering plans of the Neocon-Zionist cabal. The general public in America is indifferent and totally ignorant of what their government is doing in the world and how it affects their economy and security. The invasion and destruction of Iraq has not benefited America or its general public but it has provided huge benefit to Israel and financial benefits to a handful few who had investments in the war industry. The Bush regime fully realized that the American public can be fooled by statements like, “They hate us for our freedoms”, and now Obama and his handlers are pushing into the same direction – keeping the momentum – acting like reckless fools.

    Javed

    • Michael Hughes  On December 1, 2010 at 8:21 am

      I tend to agree. As far as foreign policy AND economic policy Obama truly is not much different than Bush in relative terms. Obama is beholden to the power centers that elected him: the financial institutions and the industrial-military nexus. Obama’s weak stance on the “Ground Zero” mosque, for example, illustrates that he will not forsake the right-of-center sources that gave him power. For a guy who is presumbably smarter than Bush, he has not exhibited the “intellectual curiosity” we had come to expect, especially with respect to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Obama’s path of least resistance is to slowly withdraw over time, ensuring it never seems like a retreat. His political handlers have miscalculated and believe that a retracton from “AfPak” will hurt his electoral chances. I tend to disagree with this assessment. I think Americans care more about their pocketbooks than what happens in Central Asia. Hence, ceasing the reckless spending of $100 billion a year would be a good start to an economic recovery plan. Then agan, what do I know – I’m just a writer.

  • Laila  On December 1, 2010 at 3:06 am

    Dear Mike
    There is a misguided thinking of the US people that muslims hate them.
    The answer is that, in fact, Muslims do not hate America, but rather the interventionist policy of the U.S. government. The presence of U.S. troops in the Muslim heartland, Saudi Arabia, after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, was the supposed reason behind the Sept. 11 attacks. The U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq are the main reason for the many suicide bombings in the last three years. It seems that both Muslims and the U.S. government do not pay attention to where their relations intersect.

    In relation to the Muslim world and the U.S., actually there are four entities involved: the American Government and the American people on the one hand; and the Muslim world and American Muslims on the other.

    In the country named the United States of America, there is a government that does not necessarily represent Americans as a nation. In the Muslim world, there are American Muslims, the citizens of the hated America.

    Unfortunately, these four entities have been lazily simplified into two polarised entities: Muslims and the U.S., my side or your side, my interests or your interests.

    The neglected interconnectivity is complicated and costly to both sides.

    The beautiful picture of Muslim and U.S. relations mentioned above has been overshadowed by the negative aspects of those two worlds: the bad foreign policy of the American government toward Islamic countries; and the bad reaction of radical Muslims.

    The victims of neglected interconnectivity, we may expect, are always the good parts of both entities: non-radical Muslims and anti-Bush Americans.

    The victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack were innocent Americans, non-Muslims as well as American Muslims. They might not agree with their government and they did not deserve to die in the attacks.

    On the other hand, the victims of the war on terrorism are innocent Muslims. In the U.S., many innocent American Muslims are arrested without due process. In Europe and Australia, a number of mosques were closed by the government.

    In Indonesia, many pesantren (Islamic boarding schools), orphanages, and Islamic foundations, have lost financial aid from wealthy Middle Eastern countries as the U.S. government has forced its allies to cut the suspected relationship between the flow of riyal and the terrorist network.

    We should not wait any longer to realise these complexities. The hatred in the Muslim world proliferated by the interventionist policy of the U.S. government in Islamic countries and the overreaction of U.S. government policy triggered by terrorist actions should be stopped right now.

    The radical Muslims have to realise that their project has brought more disadvantages than benefits to the Muslim world. If they really want to fight for the Muslim world, they need to recalculate what Muslims have experienced after Sept. 11.

    The U.S. government needs to understand, as many American political experts have recommended, that their interventionist policy has triggered more hatred and induced more young Muslims to become suicide bombers.
    Muslims may have hated Bush(and now Obama), for his (their)interventionist and arbitrary policies, but they are not alone in arguing against Bush’s policy; many Americans do too.
    Solution Mike?

    • Michael Hughes  On December 1, 2010 at 8:30 am

      Dear Laila-

      If I had a solution, I think I would be doing more than being a political hack blogger for The Huffington Post, as esteemed as it is. I like your putting the neocons in the bad camp but you raise a very good point. At the end of the day this is a war between two radical groups: (a) Western neoconservatives (largely Christian and Jewish) and (b)violent militants who claim they are Muslim. Of course the neocons do not represent all Christians and Jews, nor do the Taliban and Al Qaeda represent the mindset and attitudes of all Muslims.

      It is interesting how religion has been perverted in a way on both sides of the chasm. I do not believe Bobby Jindal would have such an uncaring attitude towards the Islamic world if he wasn’t brainwashed by Christian fundamentalism. I do not for a second belive that most well-adjusted young Muslim men would naturally become suicide bombers. I think they become suicide bombers because their mullahs instrust them so. But U.S. policy is the greatest fodder in the world to use to inspire militant reactionaries (it is hard for me to describe them as “radical” – radical used to have such a well-intentioned meaning).

      • Laila  On December 1, 2010 at 1:33 pm

        Thanks for replying Mike.Let me elucidate that the youngsters become suicide bombers mainly because a)Of dire poverty/injustices suffered in hands of system or b)lack of correct understanding of religion thus manipulated by the mullahs.YES, I agree on both sides of the fence , religion has been raped by extremists.
        I share a link here of an article by the Moderator.Brownie points here for bringing out the true picture:
        http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/04/extremism-too-late-to-contain-it/comment-page-1/#comment-81
        This was initially published by The Daily Times.

    • Arshad Gul  On December 1, 2010 at 1:37 pm

      one thing I hate to say that any thing happened in Pakistan or any other Muslim country thier newspapers and Muhllahs first thing they blamme USA, on the other hand talabans,alqaida, or any other islamic Jehad groups throw bombs in innocent people place these cold blooded killer never got heck from the muhllahs or from the News media I wonder why ? why USA is the only country oh one more country is Israel this tiny stae doing things all over the Islamic countries ? I can not believe we Muslim should take some responsibility for ruins the peace of the world USA or israel or nay other western countries are not the only ones Oh one more thing many Pakistani young men chants aginst USA or any other western countries when come to come to western countries they the first one to stand in USA line fo Visa I wonder why ? why this kind of hypocricy if you hate USA than Hate USA do not go and live there My self is the prime example i live in western countries I will be the first one to stand against these people who are saying negative thing for them secondly Being a Christians OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST SAID TO THE PEOPLE WHAT to give to GOD give to him what you have to give to your government give to them, actually this beautyful words was said that time when JESUS CHRIST enemy trying to catch him by saying some thing against the Local government so the government punish JESUS , One of the person fromcrowd came to the JESUS and said what should we give to Our Government and what should we give to GOD, JESUS asked that man for coin when coin given to JESUS He fliped the coin andLocal government king picture showed up that side Than jesus asked the person whose photo is that the person said it is our king than JESUS this side of the coin shows your kinfg so what king has give to him and what GOD has you give to him so this kind of words shows us we have to be honest and say honest thing , sorry I have brought this religious topic hope you did not mind it but I have to be honest with you thanks keep in touch Allah Hafia

  • Arshad Gul  On December 1, 2010 at 3:13 am

    Yasmeen Ali in my opinion all the Islamic terroisrt should deafeted to have apeace in the world, since early 80s Ilam is imposed on the people by force , like Islamic laws in islamic countries Hijab been forced to the Muslim girls and inAfghanistan talabans forced young muslims and non muslim man to grow bear, Muhllahs are playing with emotions of the young muslims man to jin the Jehad so many youn muslims in western countris are getting in to Jehad and it is such a stupid Jehad is these young muslims man are eating and getting good educations and than turned against the same country. like in Newyork a pakistani muslim man graduate and got citizen of USA and he Turn against USA another Arabic grown man got education from tha USA army making a good money one day went to the USA base and killed innocent USA oldiers, Recently In pakistan A Christian Lady mother of 4 kids sentenced to death by Court under thw Act 295C some stupid and uneducarted Muhllah charged this Christian Lady that she said some thing against Mohamad PBUH, since Islamic revolation started the peace of the world in trouble, where we used to travel free and safe not any more where we used to have a good relationship with non Muslims not any more where islam has a good words in western countries not any more now in western countries Islam is been call religion of the satan we do not deserve this kindof remarks but we van not help our selved it is all due to uneducated Muhllahs.
    Now in pakistan this Christian lady is asking for released and some of the Pakistani Governments people did indicate that she should be forgiven but now our Pakistani muhllahs wearing a salwar and Chapel driving a 150cc motor cycle chanting against it what a jokers these muhhllahs are I firmly believe FORGIVENESS IS IB HOLY QUARAN as in HOLY BIBLE so pplease go after HOLY QUARAN not AFTER THESE UNEDUCATED MUSLIMS MUHLLAHS
    thanks looking forward to hear from your views
    ARSHAD GUL

  • Tarah Sarwar  On December 1, 2010 at 5:07 am

    You state:
    “What is prudent is withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. The U.S. will fail to protect its homeland against a virtual terrorist organization spread out across one hundred countries by bogging down most of our military in one”.
    Is that enough?

    • Robin Takkur  On December 1, 2010 at 5:13 am

      Well asked Tarah.
      No it is not enough to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.
      That invasion is reflective of a deeper malaise within the US thinking that is rotting from the head.
      What is needed is to get rid of the Islamaphobia they suffer from.
      In spring 2002, according to surveys by Pew, just 25% of Americans believed that Islam encourages violence more than other religions. Today that figure stands at 35%. Only 45% voice the opposing view, (that Islam does not encourage violence more than other faiths), and 24% answer “neither/don’t know.”
      A reader pointed out here(Laila I think)that USA Govt & USA people may be in conflict of opinion over issues .
      Islamaphobia happens to be one of them.
      There is no single, commonly agreed or formal definition of Islamophobia in academic or policy circles.However, if you examine the range of research on Islamophobia, and draw upon the comparative academic scholarship on anti-Americanism, some key attributes emerge. First, Islamophobia is not merely having an unfavorable view or dislike for Islam or Muslims. It is a necessary condition, but is not sufficient. Thus, individuals may have an unfavorable view or dislike of Islam but still remain tolerant and respectful of Islam and Muslims.

      Second, a key component of Islamophobia is social identity and distance. The more likely an individual identifies against Islam and employs Muslims as national or religious “others” upon which to differentiate their own national or religious identity, the more likely they may be “Islamophobic.”

      Third, apart from fears and prejudice based on the perceived material or physical threat posed by Islam, the collective “symbolic” threat Islam poses toward a group’s values, culture, beliefs, and traditions is often the more prominent driver of Islamophobia.

      Lastly, Islamophobia can be best viewed conceptually as a persistent, universally applied interpretative and emotional schema about Islam that shapes public perceptions and opinion. A schema is the metaphorical term for an inferred system of related ideas about a concept or issue. Activated by political messages and news coverage, schema provide short cuts for reaching an opinion about a complex topic such as Islam, serve as a basis for inference. Across countries, just as there are many different types and flavors of “anti-Americanism” that serve as schema for organizing perceptions of the United States, the same can be argued about Islamophobia among Americans.
      Factors that contribute to Islamophobia may vary by context. For example, in Europe, Islamophobia is driven by Muslim immigration and direct intergroup contact since the Muslim population can be as high as 10% of the population in some countries (in comparison, African-Americans are 12% of the population in the United States).

      However, in the U.S. where the estimated Muslim population is below 2% of the total population, Islamophobia is more often driven by the media and cues from political or religious elites, what scholars call “mediated intergroup contact.”
      Robin T.

      • Kukkum Zaidi  On December 1, 2010 at 5:36 am

        Great input Robin. I add:
        The failure to distinguish between the actions of religious extremists and terrorists and the vast majority of Muslims and their faith has reinforced a belief in the collective guilt of American Muslims and their faith.
        This is a time for:

        A coordinated effort led by those behind Park 51 and their supporters to reach out to all stakeholders.
        Recognition of the social cancer of Islamophobia as unacceptable as anti-Semitism, a threat to the very fabric of our democratic pluralistic way of life, one that tests the mettle of our democratic principles and values.
        Leaders of all faith communities and their congregations to begin a national and local conversation on Islam in interreligious relations.
        Media to feature programs that deal with the scope and dangers of Islamophobia (with its religious discrimination, intolerance and hate) as they do with anti-Semitism and the challenges of religious pluralism instead of featuring the rants, demonstrations, and provocative acts of racists.
        Politicians, whom polls show have lost the respect of the American people, to both demonstrate their integrity and denounce those of their party who are willing to trade hate speech for votes.
        All citizens whatever our political and religious differences to reclaim a vision of America in which all citizens regardless of their religion or lack of it are respected and equal before the law.
        All Americans to walk a fine line between distinguishing the faith of mainstream Muslims from the claims of a minority of extremists who justify their acts of violence and terrorism in the name of Islam. Blurring this distinction plays into the hands of preachers of hate (Muslim and non-Muslim) whose rhetoric incites and demonizes, alienates and marginalizes and leads to the adoption of domestic policies that undermine the civil liberties of Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

      • Michael Hughes  On December 1, 2010 at 9:10 am

        Robin-

        Not to self-promote by an article I wrote not too long ago about the ground zero mosque might be a good read, hitting on some of your points – in a far less technical sense. It received 680 comments.

        “Ground Zero Mosque: American Intolerance on Full Display for Muslim World”
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/ground-zero-mosque-americ_b_689900.html

  • Mubashir Inayet  On December 1, 2010 at 5:33 am

    No matter what the justification, Please note that we must remind ourselves as Muslims that no injustice done to Muslims anywhere can ever justify the taking of innocent lives.

    We claim to live and die by a higher value system. We don’t live by the standards of our adverseries.

    • S Turkman  On December 1, 2010 at 6:46 am

      I appreciate Mr. Inayet’s Non Pagan, Non Tribal thinking.
      The Problem is, most of Moslims have not learnt this in last 1400 years and they keep talking like Ancient Tribal Savages. They believe all ‘Hraam’ becomes ‘Halaal’ in War and Love. They are at war with USA and the West despite that their countries have been living off Charity of USA and the West for the last half century.
      Even People, who were not allowed to live even as Slaves in Islamic Empire are now allowed to be our Internet JehaaDis. Violent type Slaves were always kept in Chains or were killed by their owners in those days.

      • Ejaz Akram  On December 1, 2010 at 6:47 am

        Has Mr. S. Turkman graduated from kindergarten yet? I am SOOOOOO impressed by his knowledge… May be one day he will get his spellings right too.

  • Parveen  On December 1, 2010 at 5:42 am

    Good article Mike-however,I foresee a Mike Turkey for Christmas dinner by your American Readers on this one.
    Hehehe!

  • Iqbal Ismael  On December 1, 2010 at 6:41 am

    In Afghanistan nothing make sense not even Karzai.

  • S U Turkman  On December 1, 2010 at 6:48 am

    HUGHES wrote:
    “Occupying Afghanistan does not make America safer”
    TURKMAN:
    Afghanistan is ‘occupied’ by USA despite Elections have been held there twice already and it was not at all ‘occupied’ for 5 years, when Pakistan Army Mercenaries, the Taliban and Pakistan Army were ruling Afghanistan and killing them everyday by the dozens? What about S Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy and other countries, where US Army has been sitting for more than half a century? Are those countries also “US Occupied”? No, crazy, most illiterate, Tribal Brain, Philosophically living in 7th Century, poor Beggar Moslim countries, living off US and West’s Charity of Aid and Loans always some how become ‘occupied’. … Only Christian Countries and USA etc keep occupying other countries. Moslim Countries never occupy any other nation.
    * Turkey, Iraq and Iran have not been occupying land of Tribe of their own great Hero Salahuddin’s people, the Kurds. You can see, Kurdistan is a free country, right?
    * Indonesia was never occupying Christian East Timur. Portugal had given it to Indonesians as a Gift. UN did not have to steal it from Indonesia.
    * Indonesia never occupied Oil Rich Christian Ache. Those Christians loved Indonesians so much, they had begged them to take them in to their Slavery.
    * Saddam had never occupied Kuwait. His Army had only gone picnicking there.
    * Pakistan had never occupied any land besides Eastern Bengal, Western Punjab and Sindh that British had given. People of Pre 1800 Afghanistan’s FATA, Tribal Areas and NWF Province had begged Pakistan to enslave them.
    * Pakistan had never Occupied Baluchistan and Omani Baluchistan either. Oman had gifted it Pak Army as soon as it had started shooting Omanis in Gwader and Balochis were also very happy to watch their people killed because they loved Pakistan so much. They do not even want any compensation for all their Natural Gas Pakistan has been stealing for decades.
    * Saudi Arabia has not been occupying north Western Oman. Omanis had gifted them as soon as Saudi had started slaughtering them in early 1900’s.
    * Iran had not occupied ‘ShaTol Arab’. Saddam had just forgotten that Iraq had already gifted it to Iran.
    * Morocco does not occupy Spanish Sahara. After Spain had left Morocco had found it just sitting there next to her border. Did not occupy it all.
    * Its also false propaganda that Moslims were once upon a time occupying Europe for centuries. Moslims had never occupied Spain, southern Italy and rest of Balkan. European Christians had actually leased Moslims that whole region.
    .
    But then, Hughes is right. Occupying Afghanistan can not make America safer. Never granting any Moslim a Visa and deporting all Moslims back to the Hell of their own countries would definitely make America safer. If Moslims keep it up. This is the future of Moslims. Backwards people quarantined in their countries for next thousand year so a thousand years later our children could take a Tour like going to Zoo and learn, how backwards were Moslim Countries in 21st Century and why actually they were kept in those Zoos.
    HUGHES wrote:
    “Plus, many terrorism experts have claimed most of the 9/11 planning took place in Hamburg and not Afghanistan; thus, it’s fair to wonder why the U.S. is not conducting night raids in Germany”
    TURKMAN:
    I think, its also fair to wonder if you are Sane or Insane because Germany had been doing this already and nobody was doing this in Afghanistan or Pakistan.
    HUGHES wrote:
    “Meanwhile, out of ignorance, Islamophobia or both, right-wing hawks portray the “war on terror” as a cultural clash between Western Judeo-Christian and Islamic civilizations, while generating a level of fear that makes proactive aggression seem rational: let’s kill the lunatic Muslims before they ruin Christmas”
    TURKMAN:
    They were Moslims, who used this phrase, “Cultural Clash” and “War against Islam”, not anybody in the West. Nobody has been killing Moslims in the West therefore, you are lying.
    Hughes has confused the whole article just like people wanted, on who’s Pay Roll he is. He has picked extreme examples of intolerant Americans to please Extremist Moslims. He wants to give an impression that all Americans are just like almost all Pro Sneak Attack JehaaDi Terrorism Moslims.

    • Tarun  On December 1, 2010 at 8:00 am

      Aa giya bhy aa giya-OUR Indian Friend Turkman is here.
      Lets see what Mike Hughes has to answer to son of India!

    • Michael Hughes  On December 1, 2010 at 8:55 am

      Dear Turkman-

      Once upon a time in Afghanistan there was a moderate-version of Islam that everyone enjoyed as the country enjoyed 40 years of peace from 1930s to 1970s. This in response to your sophmoric comment that bears repeating here:

      Turkman said: “Backwards people quarantined in their countries for next thousand year so a thousand years later our children could take a Tour like going to Zoo and learn, how backwards were Moslim Countries in 21st Century and why actually they were kept in those Zoos.”

      But why did Afghanistan’s indigenous version of Islam become so radicalized? Perhaps it was because during the Cold War when the CIA and the Asia Society infiltrated Kabul Universiy and spread the teachings of the Muslim Brotherhood and Wahhabism because it suited their long-term anti-communist strategies. The U.S. is just as responsible as Saudi Arabia for the spread of pan-Islamic militarism.

      From 1945, taking the baton from the imperial British, the CIA, U.S. neocons, U.S. war planners and “grand strategists” mapped out world strategy for the next 50 years, which included controlling the western hemisphere, middle-eastern oil (this is all well-documented), and most of Europe and Eurasia in order to become and maintain its position as a global hegemon, which it has done nicely.

      What is interesting is that there was never a suicide bombing on record in Iraq until AFTER the U.S. intervention. Was there ever this many suicide bombings in Afghanistan/Pakistan before U.S. involvement over the past 30 years? I doubt it.

      So the people of Central Asia, the Middle East, and other parts of the world who had been victims of the U.S. grand design have used outlets like militant Islam to fight back. The Islamists have suicide bombings as their weapon – a very personalized, sadly violent option. However, the U.S. – which is primarily Christian and is well-documented to be supported by the Zionist lobby, let’s not kid ourselves – uses much more insidious weapons than simple martyrdom operations. the U.S. controls entire societies and the world’s resources.

      I was in an Afghan restaurant in Seattle a couple of nights ago and sat down with the restaurant owner, born and raised in Kabul who has lived in the U.S. for 30 years now. He mentioned a startling stat to me. Over the past 30 years close to 5 million Muslims have been rid of from this earth. Just something to think about.

      • Tarun  On December 1, 2010 at 1:48 pm

        Very soon,our Indian Brother S Turkman will come & blow your logic to smitherens.He is most highly paid person for this job.You cannot beat his fact presentation Mr Hughes.

    • Javed Chaudhry  On December 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm

      Mr. S Turkman,

      Let me make one thing quite clear to you – it is not the Muslims who are at war with the US; its other way around; it’s the US at war with the Muslims. In some cases, it is an overt and war, such as their invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and in other cases, it is a covert war, against Pakistan. India is part of the covert war trying to establish itself in Afghanistan and funding terrorism in Balochistan. Make no mistake about it, the Muslims are not at war, but merely reacting to the wars instigated by Neocon-Zionists and Hindu-Zionists in different parts of the world.

      As far as charities are concerned, it’s the US, your favorite Uncle Sam who is living on protection money from the Arabs since 1917, after the end of WWI, and now on borrowed money from China. China may not see any return of that. The aid ($1.5 billion) that it is providing to Pakistan does not even compensate for the losses due to terrorism that the US has caused in that country through CIA and Black water. The economic losses to Pakistan due to missed business opportunities are perhaps 1000 times higher than what the US pays. It is not even Pakistan’s choice to enter in this losing business, the US has imposed this by force. The US does not allow any of the Muslim countries to become technologically self sufficient and fully develop for their own defense.

      The US pays $2 billion a year to Egypt, to stay friendly towards the Zion-land, otherwise called Israel, while Israel is doing its terrorism around the world and stealing the Palestine lands.

      Some one who cannot even spell the word ‘Muslim’ cannot start lecturing on what and who the Muslims are. So, spare us from your mission of spreading dis-information and set up your shop some where else where you can sell your groundless stories. Most of the American population may be your best bet because of their limited interest and knowledge of the international affairs and the world history they will fall for it. Furthermore, they have already been totally duped by the Zionist owned media, they may be willing to accept your stories which are out of touch with reality. You can confidently repeat what bush told them, “They hate them because of their freedoms”. I do not believe any one on this forum cares for your ideas.

      Javed

      • Mubashir Inayet  On December 1, 2010 at 4:03 pm

        Fighting Islam with Islam
        By Tawfik Hamid

        Unbiased observation of the Islamism phenomenon reveals beyond doubt that barbaric acts and discrimination against non-Muslim minorities are repeatedly practiced and conducted in the name of Islam.

        Preventing Christians in Saudi Arabia from having a churches or even carrying Bibles, the recent attacks on Christian Churches as what happened recently in Iraq and recent incident which could lead to the possible hanging of a Pakistani Christian Mother -of five in Pakistan for criticizing prophet Mohamed are just few examples of many that exemplify the inhumane discrimination that is currently practiced against innocent non-Muslim minorities in several parts of the Muslim world.

        Unfortunately, many Islamists use Islamic religious text to justify such injustice and hate-based barbarism against the non-Muslim minorities. It is shocking to see the leading scholars and organizations of the Muslim world -who want Islam to be called the religion of peace- not standing strongly against such unacceptable acts. One would expect that these scholars and organizations to strongly denounce the laws that prevent Christians from building their Churches, issue powerful fatwa to call those who attack churches as ‘apostates’, and have a declaration to denounce the ruling which could lead to hanging of the Pakistani woman who insulted the prophet-if they truly want others to call Islam ‘peaceful’.

        Proper analysis of Quranic verses reveals that preventing Christians from building Churches is against the Quran itself. The Quran in fact considered destroying non-Islamic worship places as a major crime {Quran 22:40 Did not God check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of God is commemorated in abundant measure}.

        The practice of suppressing Church building in the Muslim world is based largely on the unjustifiable practice of some early leaders of the Muslim Caliphate who politicized the religion. Suppressing building Churches as practiced by some Islamic regimes is not only unjustifiable in the Quran but is opposed to the teachings of the Quran.

        Furthermore, attacking innocents for being Non-Muslims is clearly forbidden in the Quran {2:190 do not transgress limits or attack others for God loveth not transgressors}. The practice of attacking Non-Muslims has stemmed from the Sharia Laws and Quranic Interpretations that undervalue the lives of Non Muslims and promotes war against them to spread the religion. Understanding violent Quranic verses in their historical context and upholding the value of freedom of religion {e.g. Quran 18:29: Say, “The truth is from your Lord”: Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it)} -can assist in ending such barbaric practices against the small non-Muslim minorities in the Muslim world.
        It might be surprising for many -including Muslims themselves- to know that the Quran blamed Mohamed for even ‘thinking’ in forcing others on his religion {Quran 10:99 If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!}.

        In addition, the Quran never mentioned any punishment for insulting the prophet. On the contrary, the Quran mentioned that if Islam was insulted the prophet can do nothing but to temporary avoid sitting in situations when Islam is insulted and mocked {Quran 6:68 When thou seest men engaged in mocking and insulting our verses [Quran], turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme}. The concept of killing those who insult Mohamed or Islam is one of the parts of Sharia Law that contradicts the Quran itself. Mohamed was called “mad” {Quran 15:6; 68:51} and the other prophets were considered a “mockery” {Quran 15:11; 36:30; 43:7}- yet none of them was instructed to retaliate for this.

        It is vital that the Muslim world start distinguishing between the historical violent and discriminatory practices of Islamic Caliphate and the Quran as a source for the religion. Many of the former inhumane practices against Non-Muslim minorities are actually against the Quran and insisting on doing them under the banner of Islam is not only against the teaching of Quran but can also ignite a war of civilizations.

        Fighting Radical teaching in Islam with secular views is ineffective as the radicals usually provide a theological base for their violent views. On the other hand, looking to the Quranic verses via eyes of modernity and upholding some of its suppressed values can be one of the best antidotes for Radical Islam.

      • S Turkman  On December 2, 2010 at 12:55 am

        I had no knowledge, Javed’s General Knowledge is so poor. Is this the famous Columnist with this name or someone else? If its not. He should clarify. My comments are inserted below:

        Mr. S Turkman,
        Let me make one thing quite clear to you – it is not the Muslims who are at war with the US; its other way around; it’s the US at war with the Muslims. In some cases, it is an overt and war, such as their invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and in other cases, it is a covert war, against Pakistan. India is part of the covert war trying to establish itself in Afghanistan and funding terrorism in Balochistan. Make no mistake about it, the Muslims are not at war, but merely reacting to the wars instigated by Neocon-Zionists and Hindu-Zionists in different parts of the world.
        .
        TURKMAN: Then, why you people have hard time convincing the Governments of all Moslim Countries? How come Moslims have not overthrown their leaders for not going to war with USA so far?
        ——————
        As far as charities are concerned, it’s the US, your favorite Uncle Sam who is living on protection money from the Arabs since 1917, after the end of WWI, and now on borrowed money from China. China may not see any return of that.
        .
        TURKMAN: You are a liar because Arabs had no money that anybody could extort from them in 1917. Caliph of Ottoman Empire was ruling all the Arabs of the world in those days. USA had no presence in any Arab Countries either. WW I had not ended in 1917. It had ended in 1919, ignorant. USA has never borrowed any money from any country of the world (Ref: IMF) because the easiest Exchangeable Currency is US Dollar and USA can print as many of them as she wants. USA owes money in IMF Computer to China and can pay that money any time China wants, by printing it. Tell China to come and get its Money so she can see it …!
        If USA was extorting Money from Arabs since 1917, how come Moslim Countries had not been begging those Rich Arabs for Charity instead of USA after they were freed by Europeans? … If USA is living off China, why Moslim countries don’t beg China to give them billions that they are getting in Charity from USA? … Does Islam say, getting Charity from a Non Moslim nation is okay as long as that Non Moslim nation is extorting or getting Charity from someone else? … What about other rich countries from whom Moslim Countries get Charity of Aid and Loans? Does Islam say, getting loans from them is okay as long as you keep terrorizing them with your Sneak Attacks?
        ————–
        The aid ($1.5 billion) that it is providing to Pakistan does not even compensate for the losses due to terrorism that the US has caused in that country through CIA and Black water. The economic losses to Pakistan due to missed business opportunities are perhaps 1000 times higher than what the US pays. It is not even Pakistan ’s choice to enter in this losing business, the US has imposed this by force.
        .
        TURKMAN: Oh yeah big bad USA keeps raping poor little girl Pakistan. When had Bush told Pakistan to accept the deal that doubled Pakistan’s GDP, Per Capital Income and Export in just 5 years instead of going to war against USA for Taliban, JehaaDi Nut?
        —————–
        The US does not allow any of the Muslim countries to become technologically self sufficient and fully develop for their own defense.
        .
        TURKMAN: Then, how come Pakistan has Atomic Bombs? Does Pakistan lacks just ICBM Technology only to blow USA away? What about lack of Foreign Exchange that Pakistan had been starving for in 2001? ‘Naach naa jaanay, AaNgan terdhaa’.
        ————–
        The US pays $2 billion a year to Egypt , to stay friendly towards the Zion-land, otherwise called Israel, while Israel is doing its terrorism around the world and stealing the Palestine lands.
        .
        TURKMAN: Oh yeah, yeah. Israel has been gong to Moslims Countries, hiring your JehaaDis to cause Sneak Attack Terrorism all over the world after causing 9/11, 7/7, Madrid Bombings, Bali Bombings, US Embassy Bombings, India Kabul Embassy Bombing, Islamabad Bombings, 11/26 Mumbai Bombings, QaDiyani Mosque Bombings, Shiyah Mosque Bombings, MQM Target kilings etc, etc, I forgot.
        ————–
        Some one who cannot even spell the word ‘Muslim’ cannot start lecturing on what and who the Muslims are.
        .
        TURKMAN: Sure, sure. I do not know, English just like I do not know that people like you, who blow themselves up are the Moslims, not the other Sissies like me.
        —————–
        So, spare us from your mission of spreading dis-information and set up your shop some where else where you can sell your groundless stories.
        .
        TURKMAN: I will spare you from my next post, sir.
        ———-
        Most of the American population may be your best bet because of their limited interest and knowledge of the international affairs and the world history they will fall for it. Furthermore, they have already been totally duped by the Zionist owned media, they may be willing to accept your stories which are out of touch with reality. You can confidently repeat what bush told them, “They hate them because of their freedoms”. I do not believe any one on this forum cares for your ideas.
        Javed
        .
        TURKMAN: Thanks for letting me know.
        ———–

  • Zulqarnain  On December 1, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Mike;
    680 COMMENTS?YOU SERIOUS?

  • Rashid Inam  On December 1, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Interesting read.Great comments.Turkman should be banned.He is RAW.

  • Javed Chaudhry  On December 2, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Mr Mubashir Inayat,
    Ever since 9/11, every Tom, Dick and Harry has written on Islam as if Islam has caused the 9/11 events. The writers seem to be coming out of woodwork to write a piece on Islam or Muslims although in most cases their knowledge may be very limited on the subject. While talking about Islam, most writers fail to differentiate between Islam and the Muslims. Furthermore, they often overlook the prevalent socio-economic conditions and predominant political culture over-riding the environment in question.

    In his article, ‘Fighting Islam with Islam’, I am happy to see that Tawfik Hamid has at least recognized some of the the Quranic teachings regarding the universal freedoms for all, irrespective of their faith or religion.

    The pluralistic societal behaviour is a direct reflection of many factors that play part in the every day lives. The level of literacy and general economic conditions often affect the social life. A few centuries ago, it was a norm in the Christian Europe to burn at stake the heretics, the so called witches and occasionally the Jews. The Christianity as a religion, is still the same, but what has changed in Europe during the last couple of centuries is the level of public education and economic conditions that has direct and positive influence on their thought processes and social acceptance of non-Christians.

    A few years ago thousands of Muslims were burned alive in Gujarat, India. I do not see many writers writing on that atrocity (Arudhati Roy has written plenty on it, but then, she is an exceptional writer). Do the illiterate Hindus have some God given rights to do their terrorism as they wish? The slaughter that happened in Gujarat was fully supported by the police right up to the top officials including the state government. Do we blame Hinduism or the socio-political problems that exist in that country? I am sure, the Hindu faith does not allow atrocities such as those often caused by the prejudiced individuals or some times supported by unscrupulous politicians for political gains.

    When talking about Islam in any serious and philosophical way, why to bring the example of Saudis not allowing churches in their country. In fact, the saudis do not allow their women to drive a car or allow them to check into a hotel without the company of a male family member, such husband, father or brother etc. These customs reflect their own societal social values and have nothing to do with Islam. Hence, my point that, we must differentiate between Islam and the Muslims.

    Under the Neocon-Zionist driven policies, America has caused huge dis-service to the world peace and hurt its own international image. As a reaction to what the US forces have been doing in various Muslim countries, many Muslim individuals are reacting strongly and under the influence of their anger, often end up acting foolishly. Just because a small percentage of Muslims would take things in their own hands to fight the American imperialism, that does not mean that there exists such a thing as the ‘radical Islam’ as often dubbed carelessly by many writers who have little interest in the ultimate truth and honesty, but would like to produce that sells readily in the post 9/11 environment.

    Recently, the authorities in a Swiss city refused to allow the construction of minarets as part of the mosque. Obviously, this is socio-political phenomenon that has nothing to do with the Christian teachings.

    Javed

    • Mubashir Inayet  On December 2, 2010 at 12:47 pm

      Mr Tawffik Hamid
      Your article reminds me of the one eyed cyclopes who only views the muslims black holes and does not see the ones that exist in their own. This is not to justify if some excesses are committed which may be in the name of Islam or that of honour or in the name of the nation or the country. Let us start with the Serbian attrocities on the Bosnians who took the shield of the conquest of 13th century Sultan Murad. Bosnians were not radicals. But the US only came for the aid when they started converting like so because Islam in the heart of EU would then bear no healthy signs for them. What about the Serbians and the Croats? Only because the Croats were Roman Catholics and Serbians Orthodox. None were Muslims. Close home- what happens in Iraq and Afgahanistan/ What happens to the Human rights and where is the great Asma Jahngir- who only snorts when the masters trigger her. Why of the 55 countries Saudia is given as an example/ Why not see the Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan where vulgarity- thanks to many channels – flourishes with equal ease?and where the anchors except for isolated few- want to ape the west – though at an extremely third rate levels.
      Have you ever calculated the number of missionaries working in rural Pakistan? Are you aware that they despite being foriegners they speak better local language than us? Are we not the most tolerant of the societies/ If what drones are doing and what happened in Afghanistan and in our Northern areas – I am surprised at our cool. Assuredly if we were to turn the tables – not a single muslim would have been alive in these countries. The liberty is only skin deep. What happened to all the Japanese origin Americans in the second WW?
      The religious freedom touted in their constitution is that when people of various churches started slaughtering each other on arrival in America.
      Mr Tawfeeek. Yes we have vaious short comings in one way or the other. Yes we have to learn a lot from the present day West. But please do not make a Turkish Bazar out of things that we are not. The west also has to learn a lot from us.
      I may also mention that I am extremely hopeful of our people – what ever area they may be from. They are generous and forgiving to a fault provided the mistakes are accepted. But the problem that besets is that the trend setters – who normally are the leaders are not worth the salt
      regs
      am

      • S Turkman  On December 3, 2010 at 10:23 am

        My comments are inserted below.

        Mr Tawffik Hamid
        Your article reminds me of the one eyed cyclopes who only views the muslims black holes and does not see the ones that exist in their own. This is not to justify if some excesses are committed which may be in the name of Islam or that of honour or in the name of the nation or the country. Let us start with the Serbian attrocities on the Bosnians who took the shield of the conquest of 13th century Sultan Murad. Bosnians were not radicals. But the US only came for the aid when they started converting like so because Islam in the heart of EU would then bear no healthy signs for them.
        .
        TURKMAN: Thanks for letting USA know, she committed a Crime, when she and NATO saved Bosnian Moslims by attacking their own Christian Brothers, the Serbs.
        ——————-
        What about the Serbians and the Croats? Only because the Croats were Roman Catholics and Serbians Orthodox. None were Muslims.
        .
        TURKMAN: What the hell are you saying here?
        ———-
        Close home- what happens in Iraq and Afgahanistan/
        .
        TURKMAN: Crazy Saddam, who had invaded Kuwait and had gone to war against Iran causing deaths of 2 million Moslims was overthrown. 88% of Iraqis had celebrated it. Centuries old Draconian Rule of 12% of Arab Sonni of Iraq had ended in a country that was 22% Sonni Kurd-Turkman and 2/3rd Arab Shiyah. … USA made all Savages flee Afghanistan. The stupid Pak Army disguised as Taliban, Pakistanis called Taliban and their ISI-handpicked Crazy One-eyed ‘dujjaal’, Mollaa Omar. Look close to Home …! Alloah has made ‘dujjaal’ flee already through His 21st Cebtury ‘Abaabeel’ the F-16’s of USA …!
        ————————
        What happens to the Human rights and where is the great Asma Jahngir- who only snorts when the masters trigger her.
        .
        TURKMAN: Where were Human Rights in Afghanistan and Iraq your people ruled? Where have been Human Rights, Civil Liberties and Freedom of Speech and Expression in Moslim Countries like we have in the West, Savages?
        ———-
        Why of the 55 countries Saudia is given as an example/
        .
        TURKMAN: There are only 44 Moslim Countries in world, ignorant.
        ———–
        Why not see the Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan where vulgarity- thanks to many channels – flourishes with equal ease?and where the anchors except for isolated few- want to ape the west – though at an extremely third rate levels.
        Have you ever calculated the number of missionaries working in rural Pakistan?
        .
        TURKMAN: Zero on Moslims because no Non Moslim is allowed to preach by Law in Pakistan to Moslims. There are some Foreign Missionaries, who do Charitable work but they do not preach Christianity to any Moslims. In the West, we have Islamic Missionaries preaching Non Moslims by hundreds of thousands and they go to preach even in Jails.
        ——————-
        Are you aware that they despite being foriegners they speak better local language than us? Are we not the most tolerant of the societies/
        .
        TURKMAN: No we are not because we know, how tolerant is the West to us since millions of us live in the West also. You are a Liar.
        ———-
        If what drones are doing and what happened in Afghanistan and in our Northern areas – I am surprised at our cool.
        .
        TURKMAN: Its not cool. Its, “What can we do that we are already not doing against them in Afghanistan?”
        ————–
        Assuredly if we were to turn the tables – not a single muslim would have been alive in these countries. The liberty is only skin deep.
        .
        TURKMAN: We know. And your 9/11 JehaaDis were enjoying it by using their Penus for deep skinning white American Girls. Everybody knows this.
        ————-
        What happened to all the Japanese origin Americans in the second WW?
        .
        TURKMAN: They were incarcerated in 1941 and were released in 1945. Compensations were paid to them by USA for that because USA had no proof they would have terrorized like Moslims do in USA right now. In a similar situation in Afghanistan, you Taliban had slashed throats of Northern Alliance Moslims after arresting them or after they had surrendered to you, Savages.
        —————–
        The religious freedom touted in their constitution is that when people of various churches started slaughtering each other on arrival in America.
        .
        TURKMAN: Is lying part of your Islam? After this huge Lie, I can not keep reading your this B.S. because you keep committing a Basic Sin, “Lying”.
        ——————-

  • Ayesha Khan  On December 2, 2010 at 9:41 am

    An excellent article but its underlying premise (and those of many writers) is that the invasion of US and NATO troops in Afghanistan is in response to “terror” and that Osama bin Laden is alive. Let’s be clear the US govt has been in an aggressive expansionist mode since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Entering this (South Asia) region is simply part of a bigger plan the US govt/CIA had initiated as far back as late 70s. It has always been for their economic security and then for the security of their ideology.

    Hughes says: “What is interesting is that there was never a suicide bombing on record in Iraq until AFTER the U.S. intervention. Was there ever this many suicide bombings in Afghanistan/Pakistan before U.S. involvement over the past 30 years?..” This is the key question, another is why do developed countries give aid monies to govt when they know those governments do not have the capacity to dispense of the funds as per the development requirements. Since the last 15 years I have seen the disruptive and damaging influence of aid, I keep saying to engage in trade and cultural exchange programs. These subsidies to puppet regimes and corrupt leaders must stop. As we all know, if you interact or do business with crooks in govt against whom the people are agitating you are then in fact endorsing their own estimation/valuation of themselves. Typically LDC leaders say US or EU or UN recognizes us and since they are “kosher” therefore we are too according to their standards. What happens then is that the voice of the ordinary citizens becomes insignificant and just mindless hype; similarly donor countries undermine local movements for transparency and accountability. When Holbrooke is backing individuals in political parties who are assuredly corrupt, the educated middle class are not heard ….especially not in a system that supports raw political power and thuggery not to mention militants funded by vested interest groups within and outside the countries where they are operatiing.

    Coming back to fighting terrorism per se, we have to make terrorists, extremists and such misanthropic & cowardly personalities irrelevant. That is only possible when the people (around the world) speak up louder and more determinedly for the core human values we all cherish, for social and economic justice. We must recognize how our States manipulate us and feed us propoganda so that they can stay in power and play their war games.There is a need to monitor the bureacracies,(in all countries) the systems that are obssessed with ideologies and “isms”, it is these systems across the globe who fund mercenaries and cultivate killers of humanities and give rise to hatred.

  • Javed Chaudhry  On December 2, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    TURKMAN:

    I have noted how generously you spout insults attacking left and right throwing your claptrap in every which way. You do not demonstrate a sincere intension of discussing any thing seriously and intelligently. You appear to have a mission of causing confusion by throwing in meaningless assertions that you cannot support with reason and rationality. For example, how are you going to support your claim: “They are at war with USA and the West……” .Let us see, how do you justify this statement in any meaningful way before we go any further in entertaining your future posts, if any.

    Javed

  • Lok Sanjh  On December 2, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    I think Javed should NOT respond to the rubbish arguements posted by someone who is wasting time of all of us.
    Shahid

  • Ejaz Akram  On December 3, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Has Turkman graduated from Kindergarten yet? This kid has some stamina for spinning and expounding propaganda. He/she must be paid well. He has me blocked out from his list already but must share it with you all: Let me remind him/her/them and their masters that the forces/points of views they represent are have already run out of steam on ground (Afghanistan), and they are surely destined to atrophy in the cyber space as well.

    Feel sorry for you Turky.

    Best wishes,

    ejaz.

    • Javed Chaudhry  On December 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm

      There are several agencies around the world that have hired hands to spin propaganda through cyberspace, articles and books. Most of this is done against Muslims in order to justify what the US has been doing since 9/11 including the exercise of 9/11 itself. The psychological warfare is an important factor these days after the actual military invasion and the economic warfare.

      The wise thing is to ignore such individuals whose main purpose is propaganda to advance their hidden political agendas.

      Javed

  • John Bose  On December 6, 2010 at 8:29 am

    My friend Yasmeen .
    how are you, Last night on Computer I was reading Pakistani Newspapers, and I read special news fro raiwind where Islamic conference finished after 3 days In Christians they call Convention similar idea for this islamic conference , Lot of people came and main Focus was Asking God to forgive them, I was quiet Amaze that one request from ALLAH by syaing YEH ALLAH HAM SEY TU RAZI HO JAH iT WAS A REQUEST AND VERY GOOD REQUEST NOW DAYS WHAT WE
    ARE DOING TOTALLY AGINST ALLAH WISH ALLAH Creator of all universe does not want to destroy any thing or to kill some body forcing people to do some thing aginst thier wish llike murdering them for money, or for anything, I was thinking about A prayer as JESUS taught to his disple and to every ones In Jesus end of the prayer it says like this THY KINDOM COME THY WILL BE DONE AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, asking ALLAH to Foergive us IN Holy Bible it says like that to every ones if you do not forgive other GOD will not forgive you, and same in LORD PRAYER FORGIVE OUR TREASPASS AS WE FORGIVE OTHER TREASPASS. it fit exactly in Islamic Conference But there is a Catch no body ready to forgive , like in Talabans alqaida and othe Islamic groups who are very active in Blood shaed through out the world, Like asia an christian lady her family and other people are asking to forgive her but if you read the Pakistani newspapers almost in every page orf the newspaper, there is threat to the people and Pakistani Gorvernment if they for give Asia it will be not good, one point a Islamic imam from Peshwar offering a 5000,000 pk Rs to kill Asia well in this case How Allah going to forgive muslims,
    Lets try to forgive Asia an christian Lady who is on death row, and all the tropps from afghanistan Iraq and see how ALLAH main react Pls try once and i bet you there will be razinam with ALLAH IN NO TIME THANKS LOOKING FORWARD TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS jOHN

  • narnia  On December 9, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    great post, just the kind of information I was looking for

  • Idrees  On February 23, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Explosive stuff this. Here is where a Judicial Commission form International Court of Justice or some internal agency, including UN, must be formed to expressly investigate and stem such practices. Commissions at this level are denouements for globally messy politics and are akin to heroine trade. Above all, they impoverish the poor countries and directly impact poor governance and increased corruption.
    id

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