Pakistani deaths exceed Afghan in terror war: report

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A report by a US pressure group released in Islamabad on Thursday (December 9) says Pakistan’s government is overlooking the scale of civilian casualties in its war against militants and it will lose credibility unless actions are taken to ease the suffering.

The Campaign for Innocent Victims in Conflict (CIVIC) says there were probably more civilian casualties in Pakistan in 2009 than in neighbouring Afghanistan.

Christopher Rogers, author of the study, said the number of civilian casualties – deaths and injuries – is significant in Pakistan, though exact figures are unknown due to insecurity and government restrictions on information.

“One of the more surprising findings was that civilian casualties in Pakistan are even greater than those in Afghanistan. There have been over 2,100 civilian deaths in 2009 from terrorism alone in Pakistan and a comparable number thus far in 2010. In Afghanistan there are about the same number of civilians killed but from all forms of conflict-related violence including NATO airstrikes, artillery crossfire between militants and ISAF armed forces,” Rogers said.

The study was based on interviews over the past year with policymakers, NGO officials, and over 160 Pakistani civilians who suffered direct losses from the conflict in the northwest.

Pakistan’s government faces al-Qaeda linked Taliban insurgents who are pressing on with a campaign of suicide bombings that have killed civilians, police and soldiers, despite a series of army offensives against them that started last year.

The UN says more than 2,400 civilians were killed in Afghanistan in 2009. CIVIC said civilian casualties in Pakistan probably exceeded the numbers in Afghanistan if losses from Pakistani military operations and US drone strikes are counted.

Rogers said CIVIC’s research and that of other independent non-government organizations indicate that the number of civilians killed and injured by drone strikes is higher than the US government admits.

“It’s almost certain that US drone strikes are causing more civilian casualties than the United States has thus far admitted. The US has claimed that there have been only 10 non-combatants killed this year, and from January 2009 to March 2010 it publicised a figure of only 20 civilians killed. By contrast, our organization found 30 civilian deaths in just nine cases that we investigated – all since 2009 – including 14 women and children,” Rogers said.

Missile strikes by CIA-operated pilotless drone aircraft have killed high-profile militants in northwest Pakistan, but Pakistan worries civilian casualties caused by the attacks inflame public anger and bolster support for the fighters.

Coinciding with the release of the CIVIC report, dozens of people, mostly from North Waziristan, staged a sit-in to protest drone attacks they say are being carried out by CIA, killing “innocent civilians”.

Kareem Khan, a tribesman whose brother and son were killed by what he said was a U.S. drone strike on his house in North Waziristan last year, is seeking compensation from the United States.

“There are two or three attacks almost every day. Innocent people are being killed in these attacks. All of them are innocent,” Khan said.

He said the drone attacks had destroyed not only businesses, but also education in Waziristan because children were scared to go out. People could not sleep at night, fearing they may become the next victim of a missile attack.

Mohammad Faheem, an 18-year-old student of 9th grade in North Waziristan, who lost his left eye in a drone attack in January 23, 2009, had come from his village to protest against the drone attacks.

Faheem said he was sitting with two cousins and some five or six guests outside his guestroom when a missile fired from a drone struck them.

“Three four drones were flying overhead but we did not expect them to attack because we are not terrorists, why should they attack us? But suddenly, while we were having tea and chatting the drones attacked us,” he said.

Seven people, including his cousins, were killed. Faheem was critically injured.

Seventeen-year-old Sadaullah was having tea after breaking his fast in the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, in October last year when a missile hit his house.

Sadaullah lost both his legs and an eye in the attack.

“One man was injured; my legs were cut off and three people were martyred,” the youngster said.

The report says most civilian victims expressed anger at the warring parties for their losses, and many “placed the blame squarely on the Pakistani and US militaries.”

Almost all victims insisted that the Pakistani or US governments had a responsibility to make amends, “an acknowledgement of the harm suffered and an offer of assistance or compensation.”

While the report noted that the Pakistani government was the only party attempting to make amends directly to civilian war victims, it said more compensation was needed.

“Most victims interviewed were left without amends for their losses due to serious deficiencies in Pakistani compensation mechanisms and no US effort to help those harmed by its combat operations; this, despite US programmes for such victims in Iraq and Afghanistan,” the report said.

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  • Portugheis Alberto  On December 11, 2010 at 10:33 am

    All of this is very natural and explicable. Pakistan buys more weapons than Afghanistan. Pakistan has money to pay for them, as opposed to Afghanistan, that pays with drugs, another big business of the American Government.

    Since occupying Afghanistan, drug production has increased over 2,000 % !!!!! Americans have also been teaching starving Iraqis, in the last couple of years, how to plant and produce drug. The occupying Forces tell Afghans that their soil is not good for more vegetables or fruits and, if they dispute this, they are told “….but for drugs we pay you more!”

    Simply disgusting !!!!

    • Laila  On December 11, 2010 at 10:58 am

      Following was forwarded to me & I post as reply to Mr Alberto:
      Apart from P-5 countries, India, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Japan, and Italy have been grouped among the world’s ten top most countries, which spend maximum on their defence expenditures. Even under the moderate Democrat President Barack Obama, United States spends 53 percent of the global military expenditures. Until 2009, US share in the global military spending was 43 percent. For the year 2010, it has increased another $47 billion in its defence budget, thus bringing the total volume of its defence budget to $ 680 billion. Otherwise, over the last decade, there has been an increase in the military spending of almost all countries of the world. According to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), estimates, released on June 2, 2010, 1531 billion USD were expended on militaries as the defence budgets. Overall, there has been an increase of 5.9 percent in the defence spending during 2009, as compared to year 2008. However, there been huge increase in the military budgets since 2000. The estimated increase is 49 percent from year 2000 to 2009, which unprecedented after the demise of cold war.
      This enormous increase in the defence budgets of the countries is almost everywhere. Even countries like Nigeria and Algeria has doubled their military budgets. “Kazakhstan has increased its defence spending by 360 percent, Azerbaijan by nearly 500 percent, the Democratic Republic of Congo by as much 663 percent.” For the financial year, 2010-2011, India increased its Military budget by 34 percent. India is already in the list of top ten defence spenders. Pakistan however has increased its defence budget by 16.935 percent. In real term, this increase is less than 5 percent, once the over 12 percent inflation rate is incorporated into it. This ignorable increase in the budget of Pakistan is primarily to meet the challenges of combating the militancy and terrorism along its western frontiers. This fact was amply highlighted by Finance Minister, who said during the budget speech that, “We are facing a situation in which our armed forces, paramilitary forces, and security forces are laying down their lives … They should know from this House that we all stand by them and that Security is our topmost concern”. In the wake of the ongoing counter insurgency operations, in FATA, KPK and parts of Balochistan Province, this increase is considered minimum essential. Indeed, a major chunk of the budget is expended on the pay, allowances, and maintenance expenditures of defence personnel and the current holdings.
      We cannot overlook India on one side,Afghanistan on the other. To grudge Pakistan weapons is ignoble. As shown, countries of the world have stepped up weapon/military expenditures.
      Kindly look at this table:
      This is a list of the ten countries with the highest defence budgets for the year 2008. The information is from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Total world spending amounted to $1.464 trillion USD in 2008.
      Rank Country Spending ($ b.) World Share (%) % of GDP, 2008
      — World Total 1464.0 100 —
      1 United States 607.0 41.5 4.3
      2 China 84.9a 5.8a 2.0
      3 France 65.7 4.5 2.3
      4 United Kingdom 65.3 4.5 2.5
      5 Russia 58.6a 4.0a 3.5
      6 Germany 46.8 3.2 1.3
      7 Japan 46.3 3.2 0.9
      8 Italy 40.6 2.8 1.7
      9 Saudi Arabia 38.2 2.6 8.2
      10 India 32.7 2.1 2.6
      ^a SIPRI estimate
      Look at this table:
      The unit in this table are so-called trend indicator values expressed in millions of US dollars at 1990s prices. These values do not represent real financial flows but are a crude instrument to estimate volumes of arms transfers, regardless of the contracted prices, which can be as low as zero in the case of military aid. Ordered by descending 2000-2009 values. The information is from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.
      Current Rank Supplier 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
      1 United States 7220 5694 5091 5596 6750 6600 7394 7658 6090 6795
      2 Russia 3985 6011 5773 5202 6260 5321 6156 5243 6026 4469
      3 Germany 1603 821 892 1697 1067 1875 2510 3002 2499 2473
      4 France 1055 1270 1308 1288 2194 1633 1577 2342 1831 1851
      5 United Kingdom 1484 1257 915 617 1180 915 808 987 1027 1024
      6 Spain 46 7 120 156 56 108 757 565 603 925
      7 China 272 496 515 632 282 306 599 412 544 870
      8 Israel 354 360 414 358 612 315 282 379 271 760
      9 Netherlands 280 203 243 342 208 583 1221 1322 554 608
      10 Italy 189 217 400 312 214 743 525 706 424 588
      11 Sweden 46 830 185 515 305 537 417 367 457 353
      12 Switzerland 176 193 157 174 250 267 306 324 467 270
      13 Ukraine 288 661 244 430 202 281 557 799 269 214
      14 Canada 110 129 170 255 268 235 231 343 236 177
      15 South Korea 8 165 N/A 104 29 48 94 228 80 163

      Why not suggest USA to scale down weapon production?

    • S Turkman  On December 18, 2010 at 4:10 pm

      Why don’t you prove that USA has been teaching even Iraqis how to plant Drugs if you are not spreading lies in your hate against USA?
      If Poppy is growing is growing in Afghanistan, who are the Growers?
      Not Moslims?
      Is it permitted in Islam to produce Opium and then manufacture Heroin with it?
      In one breath you say, USA has no control over Afghanistan outside Kabul and in the other, you claim USA is causing production of Poppy. How can your both sentences be right, when the world is watching the facts on their TVs through the documentary Movies and News?
      Hell would break loose in UN if USA was doing, what you Nuts are claiming. Even ordinary people outside Moslim Countries know these facts, Liars. Are you all not defaming Islam in the eyes of whole world by doing this?
      Do you have any shame?

      • Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam  On December 18, 2010 at 4:11 pm

        All those playing the tune military industrial complex need to rethink their options for safeguarding the interests of children and rights to inherit peaceful and just Asia. It is insane to hear about deaths from Pakistan ,Afghanistan and Iraq where US is involved for continuing an operation that must stop with innovative peaceful diplomatic activities and intervention of civil soceity organisation, media and international organisations.It is strange that we continue to hear about the deaths and very painful too. US should be allowed to walk out peacefully with due compensation for the victims. Barak Hussein Obama needs to demonstrate leadership skills along with demonstration of equal skills from all the parties involved to ensure that we do not hear news about the death. Nobody for sure knows about those who were conclusively behind 9/11 .There is need to work for getting out of this vortex of death and destruction.

        Muhammad Mukhtar Alam,Ph.D
        Papers and Presentations at http://slideshare.net/mukhtaralam
        Managing online networks for Transition to Post Carbon Urban India http://transitionurbanindia.ning.com
        and Carbon-Neutral Neighborhood Discussions and Leisure http://ecostrategiccommunicators.ning.com

  • am malik  On December 11, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Every one seems to be playing a double game. There are wheels over wheels. Max idotic game is being played by the US CIA and
    India in this region. While Pakistan is asked to do more, the US fellows leave their posts on the borders to facilitate Pakistani Talibans(actually the rogue fellows prepared by the US herself but named them Talibans) to take sancctuary in Afghanistan, when Pakistanis entered to purge them. While India is facilitated to have more than three times the required consulates so as to make it convenient to send the saboteurs in Baluchistan
    Again US and Afgahnistan both are in opposition to making of fence between Pakistan Afghan border
    why?? And our CIA installed goons in the government shake their necks at the bidding of the authorities in Capitol Hill. Shame on them. General American is good and a caring lot – not their Zion controlled institutions. And when any one comes close to the truth he is pewed pewed as conspiracy theorists to shut him up.

    • Portugheis Alberto  On December 11, 2010 at 12:34 pm

      Mr Malik, everything you say is correct, except this “General American is good and a caring lot – not their Zion controlled institutions.” It is an irresponsible, malignant, prejudiced statement”. American imperial ambitions exist for far long than Zionism exists.

      Zionism helps USA military business ($$$$$$$$$$) the same way that Saudi Arabia does, although not quite as much, as Saudi Arabian money is far more abundant than Zionist money.

      What is “good” about USA having 750 military basis scattered over the world?

      • KAMAL KHAN  On December 11, 2010 at 2:20 pm

        M. Alberto,

        Pakistan has money to pay for them, as opposed to Afghanistan, that pays with drugs, another big business of the American Government.

        as you Say

        Pakistan has gross external debts of over $57 billion plus domesic debts of over PKRs 5 Trillion this is not only increasing our debt servicing but adding unnecessary costs & thus decreasing our ability to use our funds for development.Resulting in Budget deficits & further borrowing which we can ill afford.The IMF, World Bank, USA , EUROPE & Rest Of The world MINUS CHINA (who have always helped Pakistan) have clearly shown that they want a economically crippled PAKISTAN as they have not allowed free access to their markets . Whatever ‘concessions’ they did give were with strings attached. IMF & World Bank gave loans to “HELP” Pakistan to overcome the Flood crises makng sure that Pakistan was Deeper in Debt (Deeper in trouble). Lets ALL WAKE UP to the realities. Don’t think ALL Pakistani’s are FOOL’s. What USA & UK have done for Israel in the killing of children in UNWRA Gaza.
        Look a what happened in Dr. Aafia Siddiqui’s case for further proof.

        Kamal Khan

      • am malik  On December 11, 2010 at 3:03 pm

        Mr Alberto
        Perhaps I have read some parts of US history. It is full of events and recorded one’s. Yes they were taken over by the English speaking fellows but in stages. But till the 1st WW, The Americans had an insular menrality. To take care of their own ‘island ” was the only concern. Howevet going back a few centuries it had more to do with the war of churches when Spain sent the first salvo by sending her Roman Catholic fellows into New mexico-1598. The in between history from 1498 has little to do with the topic under discussion. It was more of a conslodition phase. Spanish act was more of politic-religious affair but this alerted the British who were quick to follow suit by sending Anglicans to virginia. All through most happenings took place East of the continent, Because west was traveresed only in the 19th century and if my memory serves me correct by Captain stuart?. There were then waves of “good”
        christians of various denominations ex Germany,Dutch etc. But more of the disciples came from England. “Pilgrims” then Puritans,providence, Lutheranians from Germany, etc (total of about 33 denominations of different churches). This continues through the whole century witnessing various clashes between the followers of different churches. It had the ring to get the control of most area- while west still lay unexplored. Because of stronger sense of faith though split in various churches, the English seemed to have acquired an upper hand. Now the first set of jews arrived New Amsterdam (Now New York) in 1654. Soon enough more of them came. Started buying land and getting assimilated amongst the local Christians. Remaining Century was their period of consolidation where they were establishing their power base. But at that time even they did not have an eye on Washington, because they always would woo the world powers and tried to establish themselves accordingly. Hence at any given time it was Prussia, Russia, Great Britain and Germany. In between when they got persecuted by Europe they took refuge with the the Muslim empire of Turkey( goes also to show how ungrateful they are). It was this nexus that bolstered Rothschild to prepare a strategic plan, early 18th century – the unfolding of which we see now.
        As I said that America had not occupied its western side even as late as 19th century, But the Jews were well ahead of their plans.
        Regretablly I do not agree with u that the Americans were Imperialists abinitio. Remaining history is yet fresh in the books for people to remember.
        regs
        am

  • Alex James  On December 12, 2010 at 12:51 am

    Zionists are nation killers, just as described in the Old Testament……..

    Flashback 1985: Study by BDM Corporation to Balkanize Pakistan by Soviets+India; fast-forward 2010, now being implemented by Zionists, globalization to steal vital resources

    http://www.pkforum.com/vb/threads/2344-A-Soviet-Plan-To-Attack-Pakistan-Is-Now-In-American-Hands?p=58138&viewfull=1
    1. A Soviet Plan To Attack Pakistan Is Now In American Hands By BASHIR A. SYED

    Mr. Bashir A. Syed is a retired Pakistani Aerospace Physicist and a member of several eminent professional associations including the New York Academy of Sciences.
    He came across this contingency plan while serving with a US corporation. It was mentioned in a U.S. military journal; the plan was designed by the Soviets but now is in the hands of the US: the plan consisted of the Seizure of Pakistan’s tribal passes, air-supported interdiction of Karakoram Highway, preemptive strikes on Pakistani bases; an independent Balochistan, NWFP annexed by Afghanistan, and India gets to administer the ‘autonomous’ regions of Sind and Punjab.

    Sunday, 9 December 2007.

    http://WWW.AHMEDQURAISHI.COM

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—I read the article “The Plan To Topple Pakistan” with total concentration after printing it out last night.

    Being a Physicist who has taught important Pakistani nuclear scientists between 1953 and 1959, and served in the Pakistani Aerospace/Military/Industrial complex since 1980, know more than what an average person learns from CNN and other news outlets.

    It is not the Pakistani military which the enemies of Pakistan are after.

    The current world politics, after the demise of the Soviet Union, is dictated by globalization to steal the vital resources, i.e. energy, for which democracy is being used as a smokescreen.

    As I have pointed out a number of times, the concept of ‘Dismembering Pakistan’ has been in existence since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan being an obstacle in the path of oil and gas shipment to the Indian Ocean from the energy rich fields of Central Asian Republics.

    I came across this contingency plan while serving with the General Electric company, mentioned in an article “Afghanistan’s Ordeal Puts a Region At Risk,” by James B. Curren and Phillip A. Karber (BDM Corporation, McLean, VA/a subsidiary of Ford), and published in U.S. Armed Forces Journal International, (pages 78-105) March 1985.

    In the last one-third part of this article the authors devote a segment titled ‘Scenario of the Future” to Pakistan.

    This is how this paper unfolds:

    Graphic depiction of three wars in the region: Kashmir 1947-48, Pak-Indo War 1965, and Bangladesh War 1971;The nuclearization of the region described through a bar-graph comparing the achievements and capabilities of Iraq, Pakistan and India; and

    The plan for the Dismemberment of Pakistan explained through two graphic maps titled, ‘A Scenario of the Future?’

    3.1 First graphic map of Pakistan titled as Joint Indo-Soviet Air Offensive (or a future U.S.-Indo offensive?) Preemptive attacks on Pakistan’s major air bases.

    3.2 Soviet (or now American?) bombings in Northern Tribal areas and air assault for seizure of key strategic passes through the region.

    3.3 Indian strikes on Pakistani nuclear facilities

    3.4 Soviet (or American?) interdiction of Karakoram Highway.

    The second graphic map of Pakistan explains the ‘Ground Campaign for the Dismemberment of Pakistan’:

    Creation of independent ‘Peoples Republic of Balochistan’ with USSR’s (or America’s?) support and then signing with this ‘new republic’ a Naval Base and Force Deployment Treaty. [Amazingly, when Pakistan built Gwadar, the Americans immediately began working to sabotage the project. It is also under American watch that Balochistan Liberation Army has been re-created and is being patronized in Afghanistan.]

    Absorption of Northwest tribal territories into Afghanistan.

    Absorption of Azad Kashmir into India.

    Administration of Sind/Punjab autonomous zone by India.

    Working during that period, between September 1980 and May 1989 at GE’s Aerospace Electronic Systems Department (no longer exists), a Senior International Sales representative showed me a 16-mm film of the emerging Infra-Red Sensing technology, taken from the cockpit of an F-16 using such sensors.

    The movie showed how a bridge could be visible (due to the heat emitted by its metallic infrastructure) and how the pilot destroyed this bridge which became traceable on his radar screen.

    Due to excitement, the pilot was breathing quite heavily. One could hear his fast heart beats.

    The next target shown was a nuclear reactor right in the cross-hair glowing like an incandescent lamp in the sight due to heat generated inside its core. The next second it was blown up.

    I immediately guessed the target—Osirak, being built in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad. And sure enough on June 7, 1981, Israeli Air Force especially equipped F-16 (with GE’s FIR Sensors and special larger fuel tanks provided by Grumman) blew up the Osirak Reactor, about which the first announcement was made by Menachem Begin on June 8, at 3:30 PM on Israeli state radio – Kol Israel. The rest is History.

    These days, the aim is to destroy the nuclear facilities of Pakistan. This should be clear to anybody without a doubt. But first they want to take care of Iran’s project. They want to transform President Eisenhower’s plan of “Atoms for Peace” – his vision for Baghdad Pact countries, into “Atoms for Destruction and Violence.”

    Just last month, the 5th or 6th book about Pakistan and nuclear proliferation has been published in a western country.

    The first book was ‘The Islamic Bomb: The Threat to Israel and The Middle East’ by Steve Weisman and Herbert Krosney, and published by NYR/Times Books, New York, 1981.

    The latest book on Pakistan, published in October 2007, is titled, ‘DECEPTION: Pakistan, the United States, and The Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons” by Adrian Levy & Catherine Scott-Clark, and published by Walker & Company, New York, NY October 2007.

    One can read the reviews about this extremely interesting book through Google search. The most interesting thing I found are names of certain Pakistanis that could not have appeared in such a book without help from some insiders or those so-called Pakistanis (traitors) who want to undermine Pakistan’s security and existence. The Pakistani government must pay special attention to stop this nonsense.

    Mr. Bashir A. Syed is a retired Pakistani Aerospace Physicist and a member of several eminent professional associations including the New York Academy of Sciences.

    Dismemberment of Pakistan that could be carried out by Indo-Soviet cooperation postulated by two BDM Corporation Analysts in 1985.
    Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:21 PM
    From:
    “Bashir Syed” bsyed@worldnet.att.net

    Dismemberment of Pakistan postulated by two American Analysts in 1985. An article published in a Defense Journal in 1985, James B. Curren and Philip A. Karber, postulated under a heading “Scenario of the Future,” or “Dismemberment of Pakistan,” that could be carried out by Indo-Soviet collaboration, but conceived by Zionist minds. Following is a brief summary of their thoughts:

    Scenario of the future based (pages 100-105) on three assumptions:
    Past History of Conflict with India with three “graphic” maps, (a) Kashmir conflict
    in 1947, (b) Indo-Pakistan War of 1965, and (c)Bangladesh War of 1971.

    Nuclearization of the region exhibited by a bar-graph comparing achievements in
    terms of size of nuclear arsenal: (a) Pakistan, (b) Iraq, and (c) India.

    Indo-Soviet military plans with Graphic Maps in two phases

    Phase I – Graphic Map: Joint Indo-Soviet Air Offensive on Pakistan Military Bases:
    Preemptive attacks on Pakistan’s major air bases.
    Soviet bombings of Refugee camps, and air assaults – seizure of the passes
    Indian strikes on Pakistan’s nuclear facilities
    Soviet (?) interdiction of Karakoram highway.

    Phase II – Graphic Map: Ground Campaign for the “Dismemberment of Pakistan:
    a. Creation of independent “Peoples Republic of Baluchistan,” with USSR
    Naval Base (Gwadar), and Force Deployment Treaty.
    b. Absorption of North-West Tribal territories into Afghanistan
    c. Absorption of West Kashmir into India
    d. Administration of Sind/Punjab autonomous zone by India.

    References:

    James B. Curren and Philip A. Karber, (Analysts, employed by BDM Corporation – subsid. of Ford, Mclean, VA) , “Afghanistan’s Ordeal Puts A Region At Risk,” published in Armed Forces JOURNAL International (pages 78 to 105), March 1985.
    Pran Chopra, “India’s Second Liberation,” The MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass. 1974.
    ISBN 0-262=03048-9.
    L. Rushbrook Williams, “THE EAST PAKISTAN TRAGEDY,” published by Tom
    Stacey Ltd., London UK 1972. ISBN 0-85468 181 7.

    Excerpt from the conspiracy document here: http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/68073/47736
    US Think Tanks Idea to Balkanise Pakistan-Ravi Rikhye’s Views

    Posted: Jul 30, 2008 Wed 01:09 am Views: 1408 Interacts: 2
    A 1985 Study By The BDM Corporation

    Forwarded by Mandeep Singh Bajwa

    Note: for every mention of “Soviet Union” in the paper, replace with “United States”: you will then be reading a paper updated for 2008.

    Plan To Change the Map of India-Pakistan & Afghanistan Region (or Dismemberment of Pakistan (1985) – proposed by BDM Corporation (Subsidiary of FORD), Intelligence Analysts), under the New World Order.

    SCENARIO OF THE FUTURE

    A Soviet military presence in Afghanistan – thus positioned on the Pakistan border – would not be so disturbing if South Asia did not have a history of violent settlement of conflicts. The inherent belligerency between India and Pakistan has produced three wars in less than 40 years. The details of the disputes evolved from religious and territorial issues which have neither disappeared nor been diminished by an arms competition that has acquired a raison d’etre all its own.

    India’s rise to the status of a regional superpower, a posture which now rivals that of its occupier, Britain, has consistently been at the expense of Pakistan. The In the initial confrontation between 1947-48, Pakistan did well to hold the high ground while the prize – the value of Kashmir –went to India. The 1965 war was as indecisive as it was costly to both. Despite lackluster showing by the Indian Army, what kudos the Pakistan earned in terms of that performance were lost in the rematch six years later when the Bangladesh revolt and Indian invasion resulted in a humiliating defeat in the West and the loss of East Pakistan.

    India’s test of a “peaceful?” nuclear device in 1974 did not soothe the regional rivalry. Its symbolic value for Indian prestige stimulated a crash program by Pakistan which in turn has caused New Delhi to take on a crusade against nuclear proliferation. Rather than become involved as a signatory to the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty, India has taken on the self-anointed role of regional enforcer. In the fall of 1984, there was growing evidence that the Indian military had developed preemptive options and was urging an attack on Pakistan’s developing nuclear facilities. In an address to an army commanders’ conference only weeks before her assassination, the late Prime Minister Indira Gandhi complained that “Pakistan’s nuclear program has brought about a qualitative change in our security environment. €? Subsequent reports, both on the accelerated pace of Pakistan’s nuclear development and on heightened efforts to increase its survivability by constructing underground facilities probably means that an Indian preemptive option may not be infinitely applicable. In any case, the number, location, and protection of those facilities probably means that an Indian attack could neither be as small nor surgical as the precedent of the Israeli strike against the lone Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981.

    But there is no shortage of excuses for war (like U.S. has demonstrated).. Earlier in 1984 the Indians were blaming Pakistan for fomenting revolt among the Sikhs–charges noticeably absent since Indira Gandhi’s death. Between July and October there occurred an escalating series of border clashes with Indian patrols penetrating 60-km across the uninhibited but disputed territory of the Siachin Glacier, high up the Himalayan Rim. Interestingly, it was during this same period that the cross-border raids by Kabul ground units reached their peak in frequency and magnitude.

    There has never been a paucity of conflict scenarios between India and Pakistan, but with Soviet offensive power ensconced in the Afghan regional pivot, new and more dangerous possibilities arise. Such scenarios are new in that they could involve a joint or at least a coordinated Indo-Soviet effort. They are more dangerous in the sense that combined Indo-Soviet capabilities permit them to contemplate aggressive military actions with not only a higher pay-off than either could achieve alone, but also with substantially-reduced risk.

    The Soviets and Indians manifest a growing interest in the violation of Pakistani air-space, which is shared consequence of engaging quite different targets. For the Soviets, the concentrated insurgent base camps just across the border (where air-strikes could have a more significant effect than on dispersed and hard-t-acquire targets in Afghanistan) must look increasingly attractive as they become frustrated with their inability to close down the infiltration routes from the resistance sanctuaries into Afghanistan. Whatever the immediate military valu, the collateral effect of terror upon the civilian refugees would likely push these settlements further and further from the border—thus decreasing the proximity of te mujahideen to a key source of their support. Given the high percentage of rebel arms which are of Chinese origin, the Soviets may also feel compelled to interdict the most conspicuous route of supply – the Karakoram Highway linking China and Pakistan.

    Attack from the air is a necessity for any attempt to take out Pakistan’s budding nuclear program. The problem for either India or Soviets in this regard is the active resistance of Pakistan’s air force. But in this scenario, the two countries have an incentive to act in concert. A carefully coordinated air offensive attacking simultaneously from two different directions would overwhelm Pakistan’s interceptors. With fighter strikes limiting the defenders sortie rate, the bombers of Soviet strategic aviation could inflict punishing blows against Pakistani AIRBASES. After this initial surge provided meaningful air-superiority, Indian and Soviet forces would have an uninterrupted ride for subsequent attacks and could concentrate against their respective targets. In such a campaign, India, and the USSR could achieve via joint action that which neither could accomplish individually (at least with high confidence of success and acceptable loss).

    THE INDO-SOVIET VICE

    A far more ambitious and permanent solution to the joint irritant of Pakistan would be a combined Indo-Soviet invasion.. In its relatively brief history, West Pakistan has never been realistically threatened by abject dismemberment—until the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. It is not evident that either the Soviet Union or India desires the disappearance of Pakistan. However, their past behavior (Soviet support for the Baluch uprising of the early 1970’s and the Indian invasion of Bangladesh) certainly does not rule this out as a possible, if unlikely, contingency. In the wake of a devastating air offensive, a simultaneous Indo-Soviet ground assault from opposite directions with converging axes would be unstoppable. An Indian attack out of the Punjab toward Islamabad (a’ la 1965) coupled with a Soviet drive out of the Khyber (utilizing absolute firepower superiority to suppress the opposing infantry; air assault to enfilade defense strong points and seize key terrain; and attack helicopters to retard reinforcement and maneuver) would force the main body of the Pakistan army to fight back-to-back. Options facing the Pakistanis would be unacceptable—defend in place under the prospect of ever-tightening encirclement , or withdraw south and abandon the capital and Kashmir. A second Indian offensive—a deep armored sweep across the Sind desert (a’ la 1971) that linked up on the Hinus River north of Karachi with a mirrored Soviet move through the lightly-defended Baluchi crest—would seal Pakistan’s fate.

    Against India alone. Given current force deployment, the Pakistanis have a reasonable prospect of making a good account of themselves (accepting some territorial loss for a lot of Indian blood in a protracted series of attrition battles).. The same is also true concerning the Soviets, given the terrain on the Afghan frontier and assuming substantial Pakistani redeployment prior to take on both simultaneously, with quantitative and qualitative inferiority on the ground and without adequate air protection, invites defeat within weeks if not days.

    REAPING THE BENEFITS!

    For the aggressors, the outcome would offer enormous strategic benefit. Using the Indus River as the primary partition of responsibility. Kabul could re-establish its historic claim to the northwest frontier and be confident that, however long its internal insurgency lasted, the “miscreants €? possessed neither sanctuary nor source of supply. The Soviets could bring the “fruits of class struggle: €? to a newly established People’s Republic of Baluchistan which would, of course, ask for protection in exchange for Soviet port access on the Indian Ocean (Gawadar). India could complete its quest for the Kashmir and administer as an autonomous region whatever was left.

    Other than short-lived economic sanctions and even briefer condemnation by irrelevant international bodies, the risk of outside interference to such a short, decisive campaign would come from only two significant antagonists – China and the U.S.

    For China, her proximity to this potential battle zone does not translate into deployable power. Between Pakistan and the adjacent province of Sinkiang lies an enormous mountain range. With only a few infantry division in this province and an antique air force what China cannot provide prior to hostilities will not come. With the mountain passes closed by weather, the only militarily significant land route linking China and Pakistan is the Karakoram Highway. An 800-km road which took 20 years to build , its 99 bridges and 1,708 culverts make it one of the world’s most attractive targets for air interdiction.

    For the US, strategic timing, not tactical geography, is the most critical limitation. With advanced warning, the US Air Force could redeploy enough US assets to correct the aerial imbalance, redress some point defense deficiencies, and establish a symbolic ground presence. But realistically, the warning time prior to hostilities is likely to be too short and the assets the US can deploy after the shooting starts is not whether the Soviets and Indians would actually initiate such a campaign, nor how they would operationally implement it—but that it is a consequence of the Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan that this scenario is even available for conjecture. It is a contingency which did not exist five years ago.

    The most likely scenario, however, is that the Soviets—by carefully orchestrating their military posture next door, tightening the political –strategic vice of the Indo-Soviet bloc, and periodically allowing the counterinsurgency war to spill over the border—will convey to the Pakistanis a heightened sense of the danger they are in. Given an overdose of threat perception, Pakistan might find it convenient to do the Soviets’ dirty work for them by closing down the frontier passes, keeping the refugees from creating a unified and effective infrastructure, and inhibiting the external flow of arms to the rebels.

    Afghan armed resistance may go on for decades. That notwithstanding, if the Soviets can militarily or politically seal off sanctuaries in Pakistan, the intensity and effectiveness of the guerilla activity will fall to a level, the Soviet “pacification by terror €? campaign can achieve its intended results over time.

    THE AMERICAN OPTION

    The motile challenges to US regional policy aggravated by Soviet action in Afghanistan offer contradictory dilemmas. Should the US provide the arms modernization necessary to backstop Pakistan’s self confidence in the face of growing blackmail while discouraging its proliferative ego trip for an Islamic bomb €?? Should the US prepare contingency forces for a credible regional commitment without forward deployment; attempt to wean the Indians from the lure of Soviet largesse while resisting their hegemonic ambitions to “paper train €? the Russians while their troops make a mess in Afghanistan?

    But the most pressing policy issue is what the United States will do to help the Afghan people. David Isby, one of the most informed commentators on the Soviet War in Afghanistan describes the expectation of a mujahid after listening to President Reagan state his support for the jihad over Voice of America.

    Being an educated man, and knowing what the Americans had done to aid people fighting communism in the past, he went outside to look upward for the black C-130s he thought would be arriving with what the Afghans needed to keep fighting. The black C-130s never arrived.

    The US faces not only a policy decision but moral choice. To proclaim a “crusade for freedom €? and then offer nothing but rhetoric is not just hypocritical—it is contemptuous of every American value. It is time to put up or shut up. And there is no clearer litmus test than supporting the Afghan resistance with the one armament that every observer of the war has noted they need most—a man-portable surface-to-air missile. When the Soviet Union feels free to arm Marxists and terrorists all over the globe with its latest weaponry, and when the US has a massive stock of surplus Redeye missiles (which are being replaced with the new Stinger), why does the US continue the charade of dribbling third-party SA-7s to the Afghan Resistance?

    America can make the Soviet invasion extremely costly by aiming directly at the military assets, which most typifies the war—Soviet air power. An unwillingness to provide that minimal assistance will foreordain the success of the Soviet “time and terror €? strategy. America’s future deterrent to Soviet aggression in the third world will be no more credible than in December 1979, and Afghanistan will not be a prologue but a precedent.

    This article on page 103 shows two maps of Pakistan under the caption of “A Scenario of the Future? €?

    Top Map – Pakistan graphically depicting “Joint Indo-Soviet Air Offensive €?

    · Preemptive attacks on Pakistan’s major airbases

    · Soviet bombing of refugee camps and air assault seizure of key passes.

    · Indian Strikes on Pakistani nuclear facilities

    · Soviet interdiction of Karakoram Highway

    Bottom Map – Pakistan graphically depicting “Ground Campaign for the Dismemberment of Pakistan €?

    · Creation of independent “Peoples Republic of Baluchistan €? with USSR Naval Base and Force Deployment Treaty

    · Absorption of northwest tribal territories into Afghanistan

    · Absorption of West Kashmir into India

    · Administration of Sind /Punjab autonomous zone by India.

    References:

    The above contains only relevant partial article (only the last 4 out of 16 pages ) “Afghanistan’s Ordeal Puts a Region at Risk, €? by James B. Curren and Phillip A, Karber, published in Armed Forces JOURNAL International, pp. 78-105, March 1985.
    NOTE:

    All these events happened during Reagan Administration, including the existence of folks called NEOCONS. I was witness to the work that GE received under a Military Contract called “Operation Desert Shield, €? a huge contract awarded to several others as well (Raytheon, Westinghouse, Lockheed-Martin, and more). Simply replace the word “Soviets €? with “American €? and it brings you from 1980 era to events beginning of 21st Century.
    2. Just imagine who is occupying Afghanistan right now, and these thought came from two American Defense/Intelligence Analysts, working for BDM Corporation (a subsidiary of FORD) of MacLean, VA. Only juxtapose Soviets with the word American to relate what is going on in Afghanistan at presents and the direction of the blowing winds engulfing Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, and Iran. All these countries are surrounded by Military bases now possessed in

    a region called “Petrolistan. €? Complete details are posted in a 30-page PDF File posted at http://www.environmentaldirectory.info (after logging select Houston to acquire this 30-page document with graphic maps showing most of the important U.S. Military bases in this region as part of the New World Order.

    According to University of California Professor, and president of Japan Policy Research Institute, (author of BLOWBACK and The Sorrows of Empire), U.S. now possesses more than 750 Bases around the globe to enforce the New World Order, as we have seen after September 11, 2001.

    3. This quest would be incomplete without connecting the above information with a Known World Oil Reserves Map published by British Petroleum (BP) that is posted on the web at to learn where McCain acquired the “110 –year €? military occupation of Iraq:

    http://earthtrends.wri.org/maps_spatial/maps_fullscale.php?mapID=505&theme=6

    4. “The United States and the Global Struggle for Minerals, €? by Alfred E/ Eckes, Jr., University of Texas Press, Austin & Toronto, 1979. ISBN Box 0-292-78511-9. (pbk)

    5. “RESOURCE WARS- The New Landscape of Global Conflict, €? by Michael T. Klare, Owl Books Henry Holt and Company, 2001. ISBN 08050-5576-2. (pbk)

    6. “OIL, POWER & EMPIRE: Iraq and the U.S. Global Agenda, €? by Larry Everest, Common Courage Pres, Monroe, Maine 2004. ISBN 1-56751-246-1.(pbk)

    7. “CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN, €? by John Perkins, A Plume Book, published by Penguin Group, New York 2004. ISBN 0-452-28708-1. (pbk)

    8. “Forbidden TRUTH: U.S. – Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy and the Failed Hunt for Bin Laden, “ by Jean-Charles Brisard & Guillaume Dasquie, and published by Thunder’s Mouth Press/Nation Books, New York 2002. ISBN 1-56025-414-9. (pbk).

    9. “The PENTAGON’S NEW MAP – War and Peace in the Twenty-First Century, €? by Thomas P.M. Bennett, Berkeley Books, New York 2004. ISBN 0-425-20239-9. (pbk).

    10. “The ISLAMIC BOMB: The Nuclear Threat to Israel and the Middle East, “ by Steve Weissman & Herbert Krosney, NYT/Times Books, New York 1981. ISBN 0-8129-0978-X

    11. “ROGUE STATE: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower, by William Blum, published by Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine 2005. ISBN 1-565751-374-3.

    12. “After Iraq: A report from the new Middle East – and a glimpse of its possible future,” by Jeffrey Goldberg, pp cover and 68-79. published in “The ATLANTIC Magazine, January/February 2008. Cover had the map of New Middle East as envisaged by the Neocons and Zionocons.

    • am malik  On December 12, 2010 at 3:41 pm

      Mr Alex
      You have qouted the old testment. Is this not in this testment that:
      a) Prophet Noah was drunkard
      b) Prophet Loat commeted incesst with his daughters
      c) Prophet David saw the wife of his CINC Oria Hatti and established illegtimate relations with her and fornicated with her. Later he sent Oria Hatti on a mission and had him killed
      d) Prophet Solomon committed adultery with Queen Sheba
      e) The Jews had Jesus crucified

      Sounds a tasty book – called the old testments. How can people with such attributes be called prophets? ur kind comments on the issue pl:
      am.

  • Alex James  On December 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    The Israeli Military supported by Zionists represents Rothschild Zionism, just like the people in power in US/UK/Israel/France/Germany. By their deeds ye shall know them. It’s not the weapons that fight, it’s the people who use those weapons who fight. In the case of Zionists, they have orchestrated wars around the World, duping the masses into killing each other. It’s the Talmudic way.

    Video: Rabbi States “Zionism Is Racism; Exposing hate verses in the Babylonian Talmud, the Zionist conspiracy, IMAGINE IF A GOYIM WOULD HAVE SAID THIS!

    Just imagine what would have happened if the Christians or Muslims would have said what the Jews are saying !!!! Can you imagine ???


    The Jewish Conspiracy. This is the truth, Zionists cannot deny this. All quotes are from real and authentic Jewish texts.

    Watching this video will possibly make it easier for you to comprehend why the situation is as it is in the middle east, why the things that happen in Gaza and the Palestinian ‘territories’ are allowed to happen.

    The sad thing is that despite the facts in this video, the West continues to support Israel and helps forward the Zionist movement.

    The West has been hijacked by Zionists…..

  • S Turkman  On December 18, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    USA does not spend all that Money on purchasing Arms from her Arms Manufacturers. Almost all this money is spent on salaries, Pensions, Medicalar Care and other benefits of Soldiers and Officers because Per Capita Income of USA is $ 46,000. This is why Military Budget of Rich Countries has always been higher than Poor Countries in Dollar Terms though they have huge Armies also.
    Look at Numbers of people who work in Armed Forces in the world …!
    China has the biggest Armed Foreces then N Korea, India, S Korea, USA, Russia and Pakistan. Top 7 largest Armed Forces. As far as it goes for percentage of Budget spent on Armed Forces, Pakistan has been on the top with half to 3/4th of Budget for half a century. This is why Pakistan is so poor, far behind in infrastructure, industry, education and Health Care but a Nuclear Power. Pakistanis are stupid people. They believe Army, Atomic Bombs and Missiles can feed them not advancement of their country.
    Pakistan ZinDaabaaD …!

    • Portugheis Alberto  On December 19, 2010 at 3:23 pm

      I’m frankly shocked to see what you write about the Afghan people, that they are stupid. I do believe you RE WRONG. People are the same people, the world over.

    • Alex James  On December 25, 2010 at 4:15 pm

      Dear Mr. Turkman,

      Millions of Zionist lies have affected your mind from seeing the truth.

      http://www.henrymakow.com/cognitive_dissonance_a_fact_of.html

      Cognitive Dissonance Defines Our Lives

      November 16, 2010

      by Henry Makow Ph.D.

      The dictionary tells us that cognitive dissonance is “a feeling of discomfort that comes from holding two contradictory ideas at the same time.”

      For example, in the movie “Chicago,” when a wife catches her husband in bed with two women, he insists that he is alone.

      “What do you mean?” she says. “I can see two women!”

      His reply: “Believe what I tell you; not what you see!”

      Naturally, the woman had cognitive dissonance. She also had a gun and resolved the contradiction by shooting her husband.

      “Chicago” is a revelation of the Illuminati method. They instruct us to believe what we are told instead of what our eyes, ears and common sense tell us.

      The “what we are told” is a satanic spell cast by the Illuminati, a satanic cult led by Cabalist Jews and Masons that controls most of our information, education and so-called culture by funding an army of opportunists and dupes.

      As you know, this cult derives its power from the central banking cartel which is using its monopoly over government credit to gain a monopoly over everything on earth: wealth, power, mind and spirit.

      Humanity is under a satanic spell that consists of lies and corruption, i.e. deceit and decadence.

      The Illuminati (Freemasonry) has infiltrated and taken over most organizations. We are to occupy the lower ranks of their cult as servants and chattels. The TSA is conditioning the public to accept routine sexual abuse.

      The Illuminati began as a satanic Jewish heresy called the Sabbateans which spread to half the Jews in Europe, including the Rothschild syndicate. They took over Freemasonry and subverted most nations by intermarrying and pretending to convert.

      The Illuminati spawned Communism. Their aims and methods are identical: the end of freedom, marriage, family, inheritance, patriotism and private property, (they will own everything in the guise of the “State.”) They are a satanic despotism that secretly rules the world, a cancer infecting society.

      They were behind both the Nazis and the Communists, hiding their tracks by persecuting non-Sabbatean Jews. Thus, in World War Two, they were able to destroy Germany and much of Europe, and advance their plan for central banker world tyranny.

      TEMPLATE OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

      The template of cognitive dissonance is where they replace God with Satan, light with darkness by calling darkness light. This is the source of
      our cognitive dissonance and it takes place all of the time.

      Thus, when it is obvious that the universe is governed by a magnificent creative power and that following the inherent natural and moral design results in health and happiness, we are punished for espousing this view. We are told the universe is empty and chaotic.

      Why? Because the essence of the New World Order is replacing what is real with what is false i.e. replacing God with the cabalistic central banker who is reorganizing the world according to his interests. When he is done, we will not remember the truth.

      This Illuminati banker is behind most wars and revolutions; he is behind the so-called “Enlightenment” — all designed to undermine and control humanity, and enable him to supplant God.

      “Humanism” only deifies the cabalist banker. It debases humanity by stripping us of our connection to God.

      So there we have the template: instead of acknowledging our Creator and his design so we may prosper, we are taught to deny His existence, defy His morality, and live in a dysfunctional solipsism in the name of “freedom.”

      “Modernity” is simply the satanist’s rejection of inherent order and purpose. It is the glorification of the alienated individual’s dysfunction and reflects the Illuminati Jews’ alienation from man and universe alike. Modernism eschews the universal in favor of the solipsistic and personal because truth is universal.

      Our cognitive dissonance comes from the contrast between what God (common sense, instinct, intuition and our senses) reveals, and what the paid liars and dupes of the Illuminati tell us to believe.

      I wasted much of my life because I listened to the bankers’ “great men” instead of myself.

      EXAMPLES OF COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

      9-11 afforded many such examples. We are told planes hit the Pentagon and Shanksville PA. But there was no wreckage. We are told Larry Silverstein demolished WTC-7 but not the twin towers? WTC-7 was wired for demolition but the twin towers weren’t?

      9-11 provided a pretext for a bogus war on terror, designed to
      strip us of our civil rights. The real terrorists are the central bankers, their politicians and mass media. They murdered over 3000 people in broad daylight.

      Gender is a “social construction” except when women act like men and vice versa. Women are stronger and better than men.

      Children don’t need heterosexual role models. Women don’t need husbands; children don’t need fathers and mothers.

      Homosexuality was a developmental disorder until 1973 when the Rockefellers decided it was made to disorder marriage and family. Now our traitorous leaders and educators are imposing it on heterosexuals.

      Romantic love is the purpose of existence. Sex (especially with a beautiful woman) is the highest experience life has to offer. The more sex the better. (All not true. We are really seeking God’s love which they took away.)

      It goes on and on. Like residents in former Communist countries, we need to discern the truth behind the deceptions of the government, mass media or schools.

      The cognitive dissonance we experience is the difference between truth (God) and lies (the Illuminati’s satanic spell.) In the Protocols of Zion, the author repeats, “our watchwords are force and make-believe.”

      Deception only works on a credulous audience. We won’t suffer cognitive dissonance if we understand our metaphysical and political predicament

      I invite my readers to send examples of “Believe what I tell you, not what you see.”

      • Alex James  On December 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm

  • Portugheis Alberto  On December 18, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Kamal, to politicians in charge, Government debts are of no concern. Of course they pretend the opposite. USA is almost Bankrupt with all their military campaigns, but this doesn’t matter to leading politicians in the White House. Wars and weapons make money for them personally. Musharaff has been enjoying the life of a king in London, thanks to his military expenditure. Arafat died a multi-millionaire, for allowing the Palestine/Israel conflict “nit to be solved”.

    When a country asks lenders, including IMF and World Bank, for money to build schools, hospitals, housing, medical research, etc, etc, loans are not forthcoming. But, a country wants a loan for buying weapons, and the problem is dealt with overnight. Of course, as you clearly say “money with strings attached”.

    I wish not only a few, but many in Pakistan saw the situation so clearly. Sadly, majority of people think the USA is there to help them, not understanding that USA Banks and politicians work exclusively for the benefit of the USA economy.

    Even Jewish banker James Wolfensohn, when, as President of the World Bank thought “this is my opportunity to bring Peace and Justice to the Middle East, had to resign, ell embittered and frustrated. Being President of the World Bank (which is really USA controlled), he could not work for humanity. He could only work for the financial benefit of American industries, Banks and USA politicians.

    Israel has not been at Peace since its creation in 1948. It’s been war afer war. Is this what you call American help?????? most Isrealis would prefer to be without.

    • S Turkman  On December 18, 2010 at 5:07 pm

      Right, right. USA has just granted Pakistan a 5 year loan of $ 7.5 billion to buy Weapons from her Arms Manufacturers, right?
      Pakistan has been buying nothing but US Arms with US Loans, right?
      If you give me a Loan, I would never pay back just like all poor Moslim countries but could you please give me a loan to me so, I can buy your car?
      USA is bankrupt even when nobody is stopping her print more money and her Dollar is Fiat currency?
      Man, this guy teaches me something new everyday.
      Countries build Schools, Hospitals and homes with DOLLARS?

      • Portugheis Alberto  On December 19, 2010 at 3:22 pm

        I wish you would not mix religion with the necessity to eat and feed your family. Afghanistan has provided drugs to the world for many decades and like several countries in Latin America, they pay for their wars, with drug. Poor African countries pay with oil.

        USA has first helped Hungary, financually (this is no longer the case) and it now helps Romania, for allowing the transport of the drug through those countries, for distribution in Europe and for much of it to reach a port and sent by boat to America.

        My friend, I hope you don’t think that drugs all over Europe, Eurasia, the American continent, etc, just appear, like magic or as if sent from the sky by some superior power.

      • Alex James  On December 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm

        Dear Monsieur Turkman,

        I am forwarding you facts, and not Zionist fairy tales.

        From: On Behalf Of Anthony Grigor-Scott
        Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 11:19 AM
        To: biblebelievers_newsletter@biblebelievers.org.au
        Subject: Ali Agca: Order to kill Pope John Paul II came from the Vatican Itself

        The ‘Big Lie’ was the technique of the Jews’ Weimar Republic after their takeover of Germany following the ‘Big Lie’ of the Armistace that ended World War I and was denounced in Mein Kampf. Hitler exposed whoppers so huge via the media and school textbooks normal people could not imagine such massive fraud until the post-World War II perversions of history, the Jewish issue, racial differences, the Holocaust and Nazi Germany. Since then we have had the Tonkin Gulf incident and climate change which never happened, Port Arthur and numerous other ‘massacres,’ 9/11, 7/7, the Bali, Madrid, Djkarta, Jordan and other bombings of (Jewish-owned) Marriot Hotels which did happen and are all connected with the ‘Big Lie’.

        Marine Vietnam veteran, Gordon Duff, Board Chairman and Senior Editor at Veterans Today has contributed an expose of this complex, ongoing ‘Big Lie.’ His career includes extensive experience in international banking and such diverse activities as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies, and diplomatic officer of UN humanitarian groups. We welcome Gordon Duff, whose articles have been quoted in the news section of earlier editions of our Newsletter.

        “You shall know the truthe, athe the TRUTH shall set you free”.

        This Newsletter serves those of like precious faith. Whoever will receive the truth is welcome to feed their soul from the waters of the River of Life. Everything here presented should be confirmed personally in your own Bible.

        Your brother-in-Christ, Anthony Grigor-Scott

        Gadahn Call to attack Americans comes from Israel
        By Gordon Duff Copyright © 2010 · All Rights Reserved · Veterans Today Network

        October 24, 2010 — Al Qaeda Spokesman Adam Gadahn works for the Israeli Government, End of Story. “Israeli terrorist ‘clones’ are responsible for most hard line rhetoric, threats and, if we investigated closely, have actually recruited terrorists and directly inspired, if not planned and executed, attacks on Americans. . . Gadahn is part of it, so is Wikileaks”.

        A call to arms, demanding Muslims in America and elsewhere begin a terror campaign, was spread around the world. The message, we are told, was found on a ‘secret website’ by an Israeli company who put it in a press release.

        There is no evidence any American Muslim has ever been on the website referred to, no American intelligence agency could find it, not the CIA or the FBI or Homeland Security. There was only one way the 300,000 Muslims of Detroit could hear that call to terrorism from an Israeli company that passes on such messages for profit.

        Does it create them too? You be the judge. . .

        Adam Gadahn, the ‘American Taliban,’ the lisping, overweight bungler continually calling for the murder of Americans is really named Adam Perlman from a family highly influential in the Anti-Defamation League. The group distributing his threats, SITE Intelligence, contracted to the American government, is run by a former IDF member whose father was executed in Iraq as a Mossad terrorist. SITE Intelligence is the source of the Osama bin Laden tapes long proven to be, not only the wrong voice, but to resemble bin Laden so little as to have become a joke.

        Gadahn came on the scene when tapes of Osama bin Laden claiming credit for 9/11 failed forensic examination. They were counterfeits. The CIA’s own version had bin Laden denying any involvement. See the official CIA transcript:

        CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY FOREIGN
        BROADCASTING INTERNATIONAL SERVICE:

        FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY

        Website of Doha Al-Jazirah Satellite Channel Television in Arabic [FBIS Report] Website of Doha
        Al-Jazirah Satellite Channel Television in Arabic,independent television station financed by the
        Qatari Government, which can be accessed at URL: http://www.aljazeera.net, carries at 2011 GMT on
        24 September the text of the following letter by Usama Bin Ladin ‘to the Pakistani people.’

        ‘We hope that these brothers would be the first martyrs in Islam’s battle in this age against the
        new Jewish crusade that is being led by the biggest crusader, Bush, under the banner of the
        cross. This battle is one of Islam’s immortal battles.’
        ‘We beseech God to grant him victory against the forces of infidelity and arrogance, and to crush
        the new crusader-Jewish campaign on the land of Pakistan and Afghanistan.’
        ‘I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States.’
        ‘Neither I had any knowledge of these attacks nor I consider the killing of innocent women,
        children, and other humans as an appreciable act. . Islam strictly forbids causing harm to
        innocent women, children, and other people. Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a
        battle.’
        ‘All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon
        the United States and Israel.’
        ‘Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have
        already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these
        attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death
        toll is much higher than what the US Government has stated.
        ‘The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people
        who are a part of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for
        some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict
        between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could
        survive.’
        ‘They can be any one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia.’
        ‘Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since
        the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.’
        ‘Then there are intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds
        from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem
        till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these (FOR OFFICIAL USE
        ONLY 180) agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started
        propaganda against Usama and Taliban and then this incident happened.’
        ‘Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These
        agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance
        will be diminished. The people in the US Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug
        trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General
        Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat.’
        ‘President Bush or any other US President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human
        rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a
        government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked
        as to who made the attacks.’
        ‘Supporting the US act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others.
        However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they
        support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan.’
        ‘I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the system,
        which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political
        and economic freedom.’
        ‘This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the
        United States. It is simply that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and
        are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should
        reach Israel.’
        ‘The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which make us surprise but it
        reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this
        propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves.’
        ‘Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly
        using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of
        Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do,
        its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a
        war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.’
        FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY END OF OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT

        This was late 2001 and Americans hadn’t been told that the story about Tora Bora, the many stories about Tora Bora, warlords covering for bin Laden, American troops being pulled back at the last minute by presidential order or the Delta Force being betrayed, were all lies. Osama bin Laden, already dying from kidney failure, was murdered by one of his own men on December 14, 2001.

        Pakistan’s ISI had informants there, it was leaked to the newspapers and widely reported. Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto even announced it in an interview with BBC’s David Frost.

        With a 9/11 denial ‘on the books’ and bin Laden dead, there would be no invasion of Iraq, no new leader was ‘in place’ to parade before the American people, no new ‘boogeyman.’

        The very real conspiracy—covering up the sickening truth about 9/11, the treasonous intelligence-doctoring leading to the disaster in Iraq and the upcoming years of building a drug empire in Afghanistan, stealing billions in oil from Iraq, the thinly disguised martial law decrees in America and the planned attack on Iran—was threatened unless, somehow, Osama bin Laden could be brought back to life.

        Nearly a decade later, Pakistan’s intelligence chief, General Pasha does everything but scream it from rooftops, when he carefully hints to a dull-witted ABC interviewer that bin Laden is dead. Journalist Arnaud de Borchgrave of UPI and Washington Times fame, makes it as clear as possible when he says ‘Bin Laden is as dead as Elvis.’ Even CIA director Leon Panetta confirms there is no evidence of bin Laden since ‘late 2001.’

        With bin Laden dead, it all falls apart, Al Qaeda, 9/11, and the continual accusations made against Pakistan. Still, we hear it. Bin Laden touring Afghanistan or as with last weeks report, ‘living in luxury’ in Iran.

        Not only is bin Laden dead but when he was alive the BBC confirmed that he had absolutely no terrorist organization of any kind, masterminded no plots, controlled no organizations, and had no more involvement on the world stage other than, at one time helping the CIA raise money to fund refugee organizations during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

        Contrary to what has been reported, bin Laden never raised money for weapons. That task was left to Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, the CIA paymaster who received $800,000,000 in US funds. Today we are told Hikmatyar may be in Iran. However, we have verified that he is actually in Pakistan, working directly with the CIA as ‘go between’ with the Taliban, taking an active role in the current talks with the Karzai government. Few in Afghanistan trust Hikmatyar, long a favorite with CIA and Pakistan ‘hard liners.’

        If anything, the myth of Osama bin Laden is actually Hikmatyar. What is said bin Laden did in Afghanistan was always Hikmatyar, CIA ‘moneyman’ and terrorist. Problem is, he is still a CIA moneyman and terrorist, flying on American planes, going on and off American bases but listed with the Department of Homeland Security as one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. The truth, Hikmatyar is seen by the US as their ‘dealmaker’ in Afghanistan, something many in Afghanistan find both frightening and delusional.

        Perhaps one of the most frightening issues of the ‘war on terror’ or, more appropriately, ‘the phony war on terror’ has been the use of ‘terrorist clones’ like Adam Perlman, the Israeli actor playing a Taliban leader on videos distributed by Israeli intelligence. The real insanity is that the videos aren’t produced to just fool Americans into rebuilding the coalition of Islamophobics and paranoids typified by the subscribers of http://www.familysecuritymatters.org. Please, visit this website. See if everything on it doesn’t just scream:

        “Look out, the boogeyman is coming, quick, hide under your bed!”

        Things aren’t that innocent. Much of the message is going to the Islamic community worldwide and is reaching people who are angry and looking for someone to blame. Those funding Adam Gadhan, those magically finding his mysterious broadcasts and those distributing them to the world are giving material support to terrorism. They are, in fact, terrorists.

        The message they, our friends, you know exactly who I mean, are spreading is clear:

        “Attack and kill Americans, not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but anywhere you can find them in the world. They are the real enemy, not Israel.”

        Does anyone wonder why Gadahn never calls for attacks on Israel? In fact, Al Qaeda doesn’t seem to know Israel exists. They never threaten Israel. They never attack Israel. They never even mention Israel, never. All those Osama bin Laden and Adam Perlman, sorry, ‘Adam Gadahn’ tapes have one thing in common.

        Israel doesn’t exist. Get the picture? Here is what Perlman, lets be straight about it, his name is Perlman, his family is Jewish, Zionist, and very active in the ADL. This is what he or is it ‘they’ are advocating in this statement released yesterday:

        “emigrant communities like those which live on the margins of society in the miserable suburbs of Paris, London and Detroit, or are from those arriving in America or Europe to study in its universities or seek their daily bread in the streets of its cities. . . you have an opportunity to strike the leaders of unbelief and retaliate against them on their own soil, as long as there is no covenant between you and them.”

        Clear and simple, we are hearing what Israel is telling the world, the Muslim world, is the voice of Al Qaeda. What is Israel, or rather ‘Al Qaeda’ telling us?

        “Please attack Britain, France and the United States but leave Israel alone.”

        Detroit has a Muslim population of 300,000 yet the one terrorist attack there was done by a mentally incompetent Nigerian national. Do you remember the ‘crotch bomber?’ Do you wonder why the story disappeared from the news so quickly? When two Detroit attorneys caught airport officials putting the terrorist on a plane, airport officials working for an Israeli company, things fell apart. When Veterans Today discovered from intelligence sources in both Nigeria and Ghana that the boy’s family was not only tied directly to the CIA but the father was a business partner in an Israeli defense firm, it came apart further. When this came out, a news ‘blackout’ fell and the story died.

        When the government of Yemen found laptop computers belonging to ‘Al Qaeda’ that showed a clear record of daily contacts with ‘handlers’ in Israel, the story died totally. [With early news stories being continually contradicted, bombs that weren’t really bombs heading out on flights that never existed, carrying packages for companies that don’t service Yemen, all heading for Chicago synagogues, part of the wildest ‘persecution complex’ of all time, the whole ‘Al Qaeda/Yemen’ thing has been little more than a ‘borscht belt’ comedy act. Can we blame President Obama if he got some political mileage out of it before it became so outlandish that a new ‘Al Qaeda cell’ had to take responsibility. Funniest of all was the supposed ‘Al Qaeda’ statement that is clearly part of the long debunked synagogue attack fantasy].

        The Detroit bombing told us two things:

        1. The vast majority of American Muslims are Americans and have no loyalty to religious extremists or any other country. That is ‘those other guys.’ American Muslims are mostly, not only Republicans but politically active in the party and very conservative.

        2. Terrorists can’t move around the world without help, either visas, real or phony, passports, security ‘walk arounds’ and more. If a grandmother with a knitting needle and an American passport could never, under any imaginable circumstances, get on a plane in Schipol Airport, how did a single male, Nigerian Muslim with no passport at all. . . he wasn’t carrying any identification of any kind and, this is the best part, a bomb strapped to his genitals, get seated on a plane ahead of the rest of the passengers. Remember, you first have to get into a country with no passport, around immigration, then you have to go through airport security and prove you have proper immigration documents then you are checked again before boarding. Without Mossad help, Abdul Mohammed stood a better chance of winning the Irish Sweepstakes than getting on that plane.

        Is that a bomb in your pants or are you just glad to see me?

        THE PERLMAN/WIKILEAKS ‘NON-EVENT’

        For years, Perlman, masquerading as a spokesman for Al Qaeda, has put out childish videos, all timed to help certain political races, influence arms sales to Israel, or as with yesterday’s treat, to reinforce the Wikileaks fiasco, another attempt to con America. Last time Wikileaks tried to get the US to cut all aid to Pakistan, an act which would have made the war in Afghanistan even worse than it is now, if that’s possible. This one is Wikileak ‘custom crafted’ and timed to blame the world’s ills on Iran—target number one for Israel. As a ‘three fer,’ the New York Times and MSNBC went after Iran for ‘secretly’ buying off President Karzai of Afghanistan.

        We knew Karzai was aligned with India and Israel against Pakistan. Now he is ‘owned’ by Iran? How many sides can one person be on?

        When I was in Pakistan earlier in the year, Gadahn was said to be hiding in an apartment building in Karachi. The building was stormed, ‘Gadahn’ was captured, a ‘Gadahn,’ not ‘the Gadahn.’ It seems that a ‘look alike’ had been used to leave a false trail, the real Adam Perlman was safe and sound elsewhere, some place with video studios. The individual recruiting real terrorists to kill real Americans with real bombs is a real Israeli, no question about that, and not the first time.

        It is also believed that the new ‘Al Qaeda’ operations chief, Adnan Shukrijumah of Brooklyn, New York and Miami Beach is another Israeli creation, a phony terrorist, an actor, much like the phony ‘bin Ladens’ of every shape and size used to scare small children after the death of the real bin Laden in December 2001.

        During comprehensive briefings with Pakistans ISPR, the group that briefs people like, well, Secretary Clinton, it was made clear to me that we were all on the same page, Osama bin Laden is dead. There was much discussion, some of it humorous, as how to let people know. After short discussions on this with ISPR DG General Athar Abbas I was summoned to a ‘mysterious’ meeting.

        This was General Ahmed Shurja Pasha, Director General of Pakistan’s intelligence service known as the ISI. During a private lunch with the director, his top aide, Commodore Zafar Iqbal and author Jeff Gates, who was accompanying me on a lecture tour, one of the areas of discussion was dishonesty in journalism. An interview with a very prominent American journalist that General Pasha had held had been falsified. Statements regarding Pakistan and Mumbai were simply invented. This wasn’t the first time I had run into this. A widely published interview between the editor of a Washington newspaper and former ISI Chief General Hamid Gul was similarly fabricated.

        When I made reference to the Gul interview in an article, he phoned me. Gul, an editor at Veterans Today, a co-worker and good friend, pointed out that the interview never happened and was entirely made up. Another ‘famous journalist’ with an agenda simply invented a story, had it published around the world, and the real truth would be lost forever. Between video editing, phony interviews and released audio and video tapes of dead or non-existent ‘terrorists,’ the media has ended up being as strong a force promoting extremism and conflict as the real issues, which, frankly, none of us are that sure about anymore.

        People like Pakistan’s Imran Khan, who talk about extremism in realistic terms are seldom listened to. How can I prove this? Do you know who Imran Khan is? There is your answer.

        IF THESE PLOYS DON’T WORK, CAN WE EXPECT ANOTHER 9/11?

        This week, something surprising happened in Australia [Trades unionist, Kevin Bracken exposed 9/11 cover-up on-air to Jewish radio presenter Jon Faine]. In a world where you can’t tun on a television without hearing how crazy people are who question the 9/11 cover story, even though Fox News seems to have changed sides on this issue, what you don’t see are public opinion polls on 9/11. If Bill Maher or Jon Stewart, the ‘liberal progressives’ of American television, with their continual attacks on ‘the right’ show us one thing it is that, no matter how much you may find government a pack of useless LIARS, the magic ‘boxcutter and pancaking building’ story on 9/11 must be adhered to. Even though those the 9/11 Truth movement blame, the Americans anyway, are you most vile political enemies, when it comes to 9/11, you attack anyone who questions the Bush/Cheney doctrine like a rabid field mouse.

        There is a reason for this. The ability to repeat 9/11, contain an investigation, keep press assets focused on a cover story few take seriously anymore, is vital. Without the ability to blow up an American city and blame Iran or an imaginary terrorist group, the ‘Masters of the Universe’ will lose their ability to control the fate of the human race.

        Thus, everything we have seen since 9/11 has been done to prepare us for the next 9/11. The last one finished Saddam, looted the American economy and imposed martial law on the United States. Iran and Pakistan still stand. With all the terror warnings, phony stories about imaginary nuclear programs, the threats, the sanctions and even Wikileaks, it all isn’t going to be enough.

        America is sick of war and not very likely to believe the media, not anymore. Big problem here, when you attack anyone’s credibility, the Bush administration, Obama, Tony Blair, eventually people begin to question you too.

        Watch Wikileaks dribble away into nothing. Watch the news try to pump air into this story and spin it against Iran.

        When that fails, maybe it will be time to hide under your bed after all.

        Comment: Speaking before a patriotic audience at Washington in 1961 in behalf of Conde McGinley’s patriotic newspaper, Common Sense, Benjamin H. Freedman, who broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, said, “Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons—too many and too complex to go into here at this time—the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep”.

        It was it what one time Russian delegate to the US Dimitri Manuilski, said in 1950: “The bourgeoisie will have to be put to sleep. So we will begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. . . The capitalist countries, stupid and decadent, will rejoice to join in their own destruction. They will leap at another chance to be friends. As soon as their guard is down we will smash them with our clenched fist.”

        The Book—Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World, by Christopher Bollyn. nl660.htm

        Pass it on . . . please send this article to someone you know
        Brother Grigor-Scott is a non-denominational minister who has ministered full-time since 1981, primarily to other ministers and their congregations in other countries. He pastors Bible Believers’ tiny congregation, and is available to teach in your church.

        ‘Bin Laden says he wasn’t behind attacks
        September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)

        DOHA, Qatar (CNN) — Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week’s terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

        In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, “The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

        “I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,” bin Laden’s statement said.

        “I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations,” bin Laden said.
        etc
        http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html
        ==============================

        and even the FBI believes him:

        ‘On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
        etc

        http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060610&articleId=2623

        http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
        CNN: Bin Laden says he wasn’t behind attacks

        September 17, 2001 Posted: 11:21 AM EDT (1521 GMT)

        DOHA, Qatar (CNN) — Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week’s terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

        In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, “The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

        “I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons,” bin Laden’s statement said.

        “I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders’ rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations,” bin Laden said.

        Asked Sunday if he believed bin Laden’s denial, President Bush said, “No question he is the prime suspect. No question about that.”

        Since Tuesday’s terrorist attacks against the United States, Bush has repeatedly threatened to strike out against terrorism and any nation that supports or harbors its disciples.

        Bin Laden, a wealthy Saudi-born exile, has lived in Afghanistan for several years. U.S. officials blame him for earlier strikes on U.S. targets, including last year’s attack on the USS Cole in Yemen and the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998.

        Bin Laden’s campaign stems from the 1990 decision by Saudi Arabia to allow U.S. troops into the kingdom after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait — a military presence that has become permanent.

        In a 1997 CNN interview, bin Laden called the U.S. military presence an “occupation of the land of the holy places.”

        Immediately after the attacks that demolished the World Trade Center’s landmark twin towers and seriously damaged the Pentagon, officials of Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban said they doubted bin Laden could have been involved in carrying out the actions.

        The Taliban — the fundamentalist Islamic militia that seized power in Afghanistan in 1996 — denied his ties to terrorism and said they have taken away all his means of communication with the outside world.

        The repressive Taliban regime has received almost universal condemnation, particularly for their harsh treatment of women. Only three countries, including Pakistan, recognize them as the country’s rightful government.

        A high-level Pakistani delegation was set to travel to Afghanistan on Monday to urge Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar to hand over bin Laden, CNN learned Sunday.

        The Taliban, which controls more than 90 percent of the country, has threatened any neighboring country that allows its soil to be used to help the United States stage an attack on Afghanistan.

        ———————————–
        Remember, Usama was left handed while in the hoax videos he writes with his right hand (and wears a gold ring which is forbidden for him).

        http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm
        http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
        http://forum.arbuz.com/showthread.php?t=3871
        http://911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html
        http://www.robert-fisk.com/usama_interview_ummat.htm

        “It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” – Thomas Paine

        The validity of this interview with Osama Bin Laden has come under question since the reporter never actually met Bin Laden, but merely sent written questions to the Taliban government, at that time in power in Afghanistan and facing an attack from the US/UN, and received written replies.

        Usama Bin Laden has been dead since December 2001, of poor health.

        Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper: al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633

        News of Bin Laden’s Death and Funeral 10 days ago Islamabad – A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa’da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death.
        CBS News | FBI Official Thinks Bin Laden Is Dead | July 17, 2002

        CNN.com – Officials, friends can’t confirm Bin Laden death report

        Proof that Bin Laden had no links with 9/11 and the Bin Laden tape …… is clearly guilty of obstruction of justice at best, high treason and conspiracy to mass murder at worst. Since the FBI now tells us that Osama Bin Laden is “not wanted for 9/11 because there is “no hard evidence” connecting him to …

        Ahmed Ismail – http://ahmedismailibrahim.wordpress.com

        Authentic Interview published in newspaper Ummat, Karachi, 2001-09-28.

        (All other videos are CIA produced fake videos to convince the masses that Usama bin Ladin was behind 9/11 using the Al-Jazeera trojan horse to initiate the video tapes propaganda.)
        – Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan – Friday, 28 September 2001 – pages 1, 7. http://www.ummat.com.pk/
        – Source: BBC Monitoring Service.
        – Source: http://www.khilafah.com/ Oct 10, 2001
        http://web.archive.org/web/20011116041119/http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2
        http://web.archive.org/web/20011211125237/http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2
        http://web.archive.org/web/20010929010503/http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_410936.html

        Bin Laden denies terror attacks and points finger at Jews
        Osama bin Laden has allegedly denied any involvement in the US terror attacks and pointed the finger at Jews.

        His reasoning is that Florida’s Jewish community has not forgiven President Bush for his controversial state victory in the US election, an Urdu language newspaper reports.

        The interview with the accused terror mastermind appeared in the Karachi daily Ummat, believed to have close connections to Islamic groups in Afghanistan.

        The newspaper says it submitted questions for bin Laden to Taliban officials and received written replies.

        The paper quoted bin Laden as saying: “Neither I nor my organisation Al-Qaida is involved in the attacks and the US has traced the attackers within America.

        “The attackers could be anybody, people who are part of the American system yet rebel against it, or some group that wants to make this century a century of confrontation between Islam and Christianity,” he said.

        Referring to evidence obtained by American intelligence, bin laden said: “Ask this question to these intelligence agencies that get billions of dollars every year.”

        Ummat quotes bin Laden as saying: “We are against the American system but not the American people. Islam does not allow killing of innocent people, men, women and children even in the event of war.”

        He says international freezing of assets and accounts will not affect the working of Al-Qaida “as we have alternate arrangements”.

        According to the newspaper, bin Laden says Al-Qaida has three alternate financial systems, which are being run separately and independently by those “who love jihad,” he said.

        Story filed: 16:42 Friday 28th September 2001

        The Al-Qa’idah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks

        The Al-Qa’idah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usamah Bin-Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani paper Ummat.

        The Al-Qa�idah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usamah Bin-Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani paper Ummat. Usamah Bin-Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan�s people to jihad against the West. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a �special correspondent�, published Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given. The first paragraph is Ummat�s introduction

        According to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat, Jews or US secret services were behind the 9/11 attacks. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a “special correspondent”, published in the Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given.

        “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people … — Usama bin Laden, Interview with Pakistani newspaper Ummat (Karachi), September 28, 2001. Full text of authentic interview here and also reproduced below.

        “We are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [US Government] system which makes other nations slaves to the United States or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom.” Usama Bin Laden

        “You assist an evil system [the British Colonial Imperial System now morphed into the US/UK/Israel Empire covering over 1,000 bases around the World] most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.” Mahatma Gandhi
        After one of the fake video broadcasts from the Al-Jazeera TV station in Qatar (which, as has been pointed out elsewhere, may have been a CIA/Mossad-concocted forgery, since Usama bin Laden, or someone impersonating him, is shown wearing a U.S. Army jacket — much as if Churchill had delivered his wartime speeches wearing a swastika armband and the uniform of a Luftwaffe colonel) Condoleeza Rice declared that this was an “admission” by Usama bin Laden of responsibility for the September 11th attack. It was not, but by claiming it was, she maintains the official line of blaming “Arab terrorists” and draws attention away from the true perpetrators of this atrocity.

        http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/180107notbehind.htm

        Claim: Bin Laden Told Hamza Al-Qaeda Not Behind 9/11
        Statement dovetails with Osama’s previous attempts to distance himself from attack responsibility

        Paul Joseph Watson
        Prison Planet
        Thursday, January 18, 2007

        A claim attributed to a friend of one of the six men accused of plotting to detonate bombs on London’s underground tube system on July 21 2005, suggests that Osama bin Laden personally told hook handed cleric Abu Hamza that Al-Qaeda was not behind the attacks of September 11, 2001.

        The London Independent today reports that Steven Bentley, a school friend of accused would-be suicide bomber Yassin Omar, was told by Omar that he did not think Bin Laden was behind 9/11. Omar based his conclusion on what he was told by extremist London cleric Abu Hamza, currently serving a seven-year prison sentence for soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred, who had personally met Bin Laden.

        Bin Laden’s apparent attempt to distance himself from involvement in 9/11 dovetails with statements made shortly after the event in which he told a Pakistani newspaper that he was not involved in the attacks.

        “I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States,” Bin Laden told Ummat, “As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.”

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        The supposed Osama “confession video” in which the terrorist leader discusses how the attacks were carried out has been widely debunked as a hoax. On closer analysis, the individual in the tape is clearly not Bin Laden and he makes statements completely inconsistent with Bin Laden’s previous public comments. Other so-called Al-Qaeda tapes have been directly traced back to the Pentagon

  • Javed Chaudhry  On December 19, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Its true, we do not know who was behind 9/11, but we do know it was not those who are being blamed for it. Regarding the tsunami out of the military industrial complex, there are a handful few people who control it and most of them are in the US. Others are more or less helpless to stop the insane death and destruction. Regarding the public opinion, the public in the countries on the receiving end (Muslim states) is helpless, as they have no say in the decisions made by their rulers. Those rulers are installed and supported by the American imperialism. As far as the American public is concerned, they have power through vote, but they are too ignorant about what is going on all around them and in the world in the hands of their leadership. So, they won’t do any thing as they are under the impression that what ever is being done is for their security from Iraqi WMD, the Iranian (non-extant) nukes and the militant, political Islam that is being shown quite successfully by the Zionist controlled media as the worst thing on earth that hates America’s freedom (just as Bush used to say).

    Javed

  • Alex James  On December 27, 2010 at 12:58 pm

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