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By: Yasmeen Ali
Drenched in blood, from the mindless killings in Karachi that erupted a few weeks ago, and, have continued unabated, a pattern emerges. People are being pulled off from public transport vehicles, being killed, after visiting their ID cards. In a number of instances , those being targeted, in the recent round of killings are Urdu speaking settlers from Karachi(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfMn9WKBGrg&feature=player_embedded). MQM , the party ruling Karachi sits outside Government. The oft seen tantrum thrown and the Government’s wooing efforts to draw it back within the fold. The MQM Head, on phone, in a public message from England, called upon the people of Karachi to store a month’s rations in their homes shortly before the recent bloodbath.
Karachi today, presents a different political landscape than the Karachi of yesteryears. Pashtuns form 20 to 25% of Karachi’s population, arresting 2 provincial seats for them in the first time of Karachi’s political history during the last elections. This changed political ground reality must be accepted by all stake holders.
The killings in Karachi may be like a many headed serpent, the Hydra in Greek Mythology. The Hydra ,is a serpent having numerous heads ,nine being the number often quoted .It was said as soon as one head was cut, another grew in it’s place, but a famous quote states even Hercules’ alone could not fight Hydra. It was only when he was helped, by ‘Iola’s’, who cauterized the beheaded stumps, that Hercules succeeded, but one head of Hydra was immortal and had to be buried alive.
Are the killings the outcome of murderers & looters going under the garb of political activists, or “Bhatta Mafia” (Extortionists) as stated by Sindh Chief Minister Qaim Ali Shah?(The News 20th August 2011).This may be true in some cases, but not in all. Are these killers the militants within parties, putting innocent lives to death, and settling personal scores as they go along? Is there a “foreign hand” involved here as well? All can be true to varying degrees.
A friend shared his views with me, ”This is a turf war nothing more or less, an army take over is not the solution, a secret task force under the army is. This unit must be ultra secret and to report only to the ISI and IB which will pin point the gangs and its leaders. They must be equipped with the latest weaponry and helicopters in order to strike hard and fast and then disappear. This unit will have no political affiliations or considerations what so ever”.
Instead of playing the blame-game, all political parties must move towards resolving this situation. It must be a joint effort by all political parties who need to rise above their local and provincial level politics to bring peace to Karachi. Three simple steps, inter linked, will go a long way to help Karachi normalize.
First, acceptance of the new landscape of Karachi. A genuine desire to move towards peaceful solution to this embattled city. A clear Code of Conduct to be followed by all party leaders; avoid inflammatory speeches and attacks on leaders of other parties. This can only be interpreted as a green signal to their workers cadre to start riots and mayhem. Divest their cadres from militant elements. This must be done. Until and unless parties rely on street power to settle scores, issues can never be resolved. Only when the rouge elements lose political backing will they be dealt with according to law.
A crucial question which must be addressed is the supply of illegal weapons in Karachi. In a statement Rangers Brigadier Waseem said that the armed groups were using sophisticated weapons like machine guns, assault rifles such as AK47 and .222; in layman’s language called the Kalashnikov(Express Tribune July 25th 2011). Many years ago, the Government had withdrawn licenses of .222 and issued “regular” weapon licenses instead. This included licenses held by security companies. The question that rears its ugly head is: from where are these licenses coming from? What is the supply line? The leak must be stemmed.
The law and order situation directly impacts the economic health of Karachi. More than 25% of total taxes are paid by Karachi, more than 20% of total GDP is contributed by Karachi , the seaport is in Karachi. When the economy of Karachi is hit, the entire of Pakistan is hit. The law and order situation directly impacts the economic graph of Karachi and the rest of Pakistan.
The situation in Karachi is reflective of the overall situation in Pakistan in a more severe form.
Jonathan S. Landay, National Security and Intelligence Correspondent, at the McClatchy Newspapers had this to say,” I haven’t visited Karachi in several years, so I don’t feel qualified to propose a solution. This tragedy has been building for years, for the most part a result of years of inflammatory ethnic politics, racketeering and strong-arming by all of the major political parties.
Now the chick has come home to roost. It will take the leaders of the national parties working together to bring an end to this – or a concerted citizens movement, which is probably naïve”.
Hercules awaits Iola’s help to kill Hydra.
In the meanwhile Karachi burns!
(Yasmeen Ali is a lawyer based in Lahore,Pakistan & can be contacted at yasmeen.a.9@gmail.com)
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U ARE SO RIGHT YASMIN
IK
The idea of a counter terrorism team is a functional idea .How ever who will implement all that you have suggested.Who will bell the cat ?The people who matter are busy consolidating their own assets , oblivious of what is happening.
But you can not have a Counter Terrorism Team because your gods in Army do not want to end Terrorism. They are fathers of Terrorists, Taliban and others. They supply them Weapons and hire them as their Mercenaries under their Divide & Rule Doctrine.
although the article by ms. yeasmeen is well written and gives good food for thought, but the solution which you are suggesting, in my opinion is very very difficult if not impossible.
you are suggesting to establish a secret force, which will report directly to the head of ISI or IB, (may be on the lines of gestapo ), having no political affiliation at all. how can a political government establish such a force. when they are themselves responsible for this condition of affairs.
the situation which emerges, is some thing like this, that your own political government is giving full backing and support to the peoples aman committee. which is every thing but aman. otherwise how changed the demography of karachi emerges, it is practically impossible to issue bhatta parchian by any one in the mqm dominated areas. it is only possible when some one have the backing of even more powerful body than mqm. and who can that be in this age, other than PPP.
the only solution which comes to our mind is stop looking towards the government, solution is mom should walk to the ANP and strike a deal on the basis of give and take. that is the only way they can confront the ruling mafia . and that is the most practical approach. after all you can not kick 3 million Pushtu speaking people from Karachi. you will have to share the city and its resources, with them, you will have to convince them that it is their city as well. so keeping peace here is equally important for them.
mansoor
Giving more power to ISI is like giving more power to the Devil because ISI has been behind Target Killing of MQM people for years. Now ISI has broadened its operation in Karachi because Karachi is the most Anti Taliban city of Pakistan and Mohajir Youth is resisting Pak Army’s take over through Taliban.
Good one. I have just one question. Everyone say political solution, no one tells what political solution. Ones we are witnessing after every month. When political parties are involved themselves and police has been politicized also don’t you think with each calm period brought in thru political reconciliation we are providing more time for trouble makers to get more strength. OR just ignore I don’t know what to say these are all short term will someone care for future of Pakistan
Nice overall picture but to me the problem is of our poorly trained management cadre and police. Emasculated, gutless, dishonourable bureaucracy & police are the problem; simple self-interest above the national and the ethical.
id
But how can Police act against orders of ISI, the god of Security and National Interest of Pakistan?
If Police Squad that had noticed Armed ISI Men waiting to kill Hakim Saeed after checking their IDs but Aram Baagh Police Station had remained mum, while the Government accused MQM, what else can you expect from Police?
Its either anti-Punjab or Anti Army is it not Turkman?
You have so much exposed your hatred of Pakistan over time that I will place a ban on you from this forum,till now I tolerated you as a joker that RAW is.
By not calling a spade a spade you are in fact helping the killers to kill at will.
very nicely described by ms yasmeen.question is that all the political parties in the are holding power have failed. can the country afford the law less to continue. for maintaining the democracy. the moderen arms,american council general offer of support only indicate to one direction that us plan closely helped by india is in full action. let us see what the strong armed forces will act. if it is too late ,there won’t be a country to defend.grk
600,000 strong Armed Forces of that have failed to control a few thousand Taliban for the last 9 years are strong?
Yeah very strong in backing of Taliban and in their faith in ‘Divide & Rule’ Doctrine.
A lot is being said and written for and against calling the army for restoring law and order in Karachi. I am for it. To my mind de-weaponisation of Karachi is the only answer to stop this wanton killing. No weapons no killing. There is such a huge number of weapons there that it will not be an easy task to get them all back. I would, therefore, suggest the following sequence of action for the army to collect the weapons:
Impose curfew in the suspected/dangerous areas, completely sealing them off from the rest of the city by shooting at sight to restrict the movement and taking away/shifting of the weapons to other localities. Strict vigilance be kept that no weapons are sneaked away to other localities during the ‘relaxation’ time of the curfew.
Allow three days for all to deposit the weapons in the nearest Police Station with proper record of the surrendered weapons maintained under the supervision of army officers. Police cannot be trusted with this responsibility for obvious reasons. Extensive publicity by all media radio, TV, newspapers, posters and dropping of leaflets, loud speakers etc. be given that no harm will come to those who surrender the licensed or unlicensed weapons but any one found with a weapon after three days will be killed with the same weapon.
Not all will deposit their weapons. I bet.
After three days house to house search under strict curfew be carried out. There are bound to be a quite a few culprits hiding weapons. Take three or four of them and shoot them with their own weapons within the seeing and hearing of others. Thereafter, publicise the shooting widely with all means of publicity. Human Rightists, please hold your horses.
Give them another period of three ‘grace’ days to surrender their weapons once again, making it quite clear to them that this shall be the FINAL warning and ALL those failing to deposit the weapons hereafter SHALL meet the same fate.
ALL weapons will be surrendered. Again I bet it
The entire Karachi will be clean of weapons in a matter of week or so. Now, great care must be taken that no new weapons find their way into Karachi again. There are only a few and known ‘in roads’ and ‘passages’ for the smuggling in of such weapons and the police and others know them. The respective Police in charge of the area must be MOST severely and mercilessly dealt with if any firing takes place in his area of responsibility.
Recall the army back to barracks IMMEDIATELY on completion of their task.
Give me the force and free hand, I volunteer to undertake this task. And, if I fail, I should be guillotined in the city square.
Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)
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Rawalpindi 46000
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Tel: (051) 5158033
E.mail: jafri@rifiela.com
But sir, who is going to do House to House Search of ISI’s own people in Karachi causing this mayhem?
UNO, USA or India?
Dear All,
Expecting nitwits to act wisely could be called a folly. The nitwits have proven over and over again that they are not capable of anything better. If they sit together, the will remain nitwits but could be called a crowd of nitwits. In my profession we say, ‘GIGO’ which is the acronym for ‘Garbage In = Garbage Out’.
You all are far too intelligent to fall for a GIGO scam – for that is all it is. Given enough time, the actors on the present stage will join their friends in London, with our money, and that will be that.
Your vote will carry the day when the time comes. In the meanwhile, if any of you wish to be involved in building a systems based party, you are welcome to contact me. The work is hard and demanding, but I believe satisfying.
Kind regards,
Parvez Amin
That’s right. We need another Political Party of Mohajirs like MQM (H) to ride on the top of Pak Army Tanks to loot, collect Ransoms and kill, when Pak Army Tanks enter Karachi like they had in 1992. History must be repeated as planned by Pak Army.
The malaise is not turf wars and gangsterism.It is much deeper.Those who wanted to suck in the Pak Army into NWA,failed.Now,they,to continue the agenda,want it to be drawn into a “Benghazi-Tripoli” showdown in Karachi.We know what all this entails.This will become a bleeding “anaconda” stretching from the Arabian Sea to the CAS.You can see it’s ugly head coming up in Zinkiang.While the tail has started to stir in Karachi and Baluchistan.While ISAF is moving east.
SR.
That’s right. USA had caused last 4 uprisings in Baluchistan and 1971. It has always been a Zionist, Indian or US Conspiracy to dis-integrate Pakistan, whenever patriotic selfless Punjabi Pak Army has to come in action and start killing us Traitors. Allaho Akbar …!
It’s a measure of Pakistan’s affliction that the most rational diagnosis and treatment has come from a foreigner who covered South Asia as a foreign correspondent for a decade (1985-94) but has not visited the country again for many years now.
At the higher levels of government, you have interior minister Rehman Malik pointing fingers at wives and girlfriends using Israeli weapons. And we have now learned that President Zardari’s minions in the Federal Investigation Agency and Intelligence Bureau were (mis)informing Her Majesty’s government in order to bring pressure on the MQM supremo-in-exile in London so that Zardari and cronies remain undisturbed in plundering the State and rigging the Senate polls to queer the pitch for the next government..
The Inter-Services Intelligence Bureau and the Military Intelligence Directorate have already made substantial contributions to the promotion of insurgency in Balochistan and Islamic radicalism just about everywhere else. The capacity of General Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani and Lieut General Ahmad Shuja Pasha was brilliantly displayed to the world after the Abbottabad and Mehran base raids. So the “ultra secret task force” solution proposed by your friend, a military man I suspect, is the East Pakistan template for Jinnahpur.
Jonathan Landay’s formula requires Nawabzada Nasrullah Khan’s expertise but in typical Pakistani fashion he did not groom a successor. Bringing all stakeholders to the table should be the focus of right-thinking Pakistanis. I propose you begin this task.
Dear Salman,
I have corresponded with Landay over net.I have found him to have the ability to cut through the flak & get to the crux. This is an excerpt of a mail in which he shared his views,which I quoted after letting him know.
Rgds
YAA
The contribution in insurgency in Balochistan was by RAW through some tribal who today sit in Afghanistan, not Intelligence.
Let us not twist facts resulting from our hatred.
YAA
That’s right. Only Punjabi Pak Army Officers, Punjabi Rangers and Punjabi Police has a right to loot Pakistan, nobody else. Punjabistan ZinDaabaaD …!
Pakistan sai zinDaa BHaag …!
Mr. Turkman your views seems to be anti Pakistan.You are creating quite disturbing situations by running away from the actual facts and cause of this situation.You are trying to split Pakistan by calling its Army,rangers a Punjabi army and Rangers.Mr. you will never ever find ISI involved in anti Pakistan activities. It has always fought the war of survival of Pakistan against many agencies.I am sure it is doing the same.You only see that side of the picture which you want to see ,but let me assure you this is not going to happen. From where i see i can see the hands of MI-6 .RAW,RAMA,CIA and all the other anti Pakistan agencies.Her the unfortunate is unknowingly our own people are supporting them in there agenda. Mi-6 is quite active in karachi now a days and RAMA and RAW actively involved in training the anti Pakistan talibans in their training camps at NOM at Nuristan(Afghanistan). Read something about the training of RAW and RAMA in Afghanistan you will come to know about the reality which you don,t want to see. Next time don,t call any Paliktani Punjabi,Pathan,Balochi or Sindi.We are the sons and daughters of this house(Pakistan).ya there can be differences between the family members but we will overcome that.Just because of few individuals don,t try to split us…………………..
The task force to be made will not be done so by the political govt but by the security establishment. To have such a force made by any democratically elected leadership in Pakistan will have it comprised before its outset..
That’s right because majority of Pakistanis are Non Punjabi and they would elect some Non Punjabi. Since all the Non Punjabis are Traitors of Pakistan, their Elected Representative would sell Pakistan to India or USA and so discriminated poor Punjabis would not see a Penny of that Money. I understand that.
you seems to be a black sheep.If being Pakistani(pathan) i am not talking against Punjabies who the hill are you……?mind your language if you can help in bringing the solution to this issue then its ok otherwise keep your beak shut. initially you were trying to split pakistan. Now, you are trying to split Punjabies .By the way who are you and what you want to achieve by passing such comments….?????Don,t see the individuals see the mob and you will see Pakistanies.you seems to be Indian or any other anti Pakistani. let me assure you ,you will not succeed.Ladies and Gentlemen we have our internal problems and Insh_Allah we are going to solve it if we stay firm and together. plz don,t let these foreigners or outsiders to interfere with in our problems. our unity should be our strength…thanks..
The problem is from within, namely Police, Excise & Land Customs and transportation syndicate. These forces are infiltrated by my the ‘Inhumane Society’ involved in the killing fields of KHI.
In the recent months the police force has been replaced, political appointees has got prime locations, they don’t bother to intercept the culprits. The E & LC chaps let go the trucks loaded with heavy weapons coming in from Afghanistan and the shores of Balochistan at a fixed rate, finally we all know who own the transportation sector.
As Rehman Malik has said today that they have 100 Murderers in custody. They should be taken to Firing Range in Malir, Shot, so that they get injured and bleed to death.
RAF
Some time ago, in Bangladesh, when things went very wrong in many spheres, they
established a unit called RAB (Rapid Action Battalion) They have done a pretty
good job and achieved fairly well in their given tasks.
Yasmeen Ji,
You are correct, since there are not many options available, one has to take
extra ordinary measures to get rid of rodents, parasites, maggots from our
society. A special unit certainly will do the job.
Let the champions of human rights know that the innocent victims and ordinary
citizens also got their rights to survive and live in harmony in this country.
Rauf
Yeah let Champions of Human Rights know, we are a Sovereign Nation and we have a right to kill our own people like we always do. Its interference in Domestic Affairs of Pakistan to tell us, not to kill our own people.
When you kill over 250-300 police men who took part in the op clean up in 95-96
in 2003-2006;what do you expect now they say it is better to join them and make
money as well.
Muhammad Shahbaz
That’s right. We had a right to loot Mohajirs, arrest them to collect Ransom and rape their Daughters. They had no rights to retaliate and start killing our pious Godly Policemen to defend themselves because this is not a country. Its our Fort. Fort of Islam.
To build a political consensus and getting the backing of general public for identifying the culprits and hatching of wicked plans calls for developing a group of mentally emancipated people from biases,prejudices and fixations of all types. So prerequisite is to undertake a comprehensive plan for the achievement of this objective as early as possible,
MSC
I agree. Pakistanis should be freed from Punjabi Yoke backed by Punjabi Pak Army.
The best and the most efficient model is that of our beloved Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). The conditions of the Arabs were worse than today. In just 23 years there was biggest turn around in every sphere of life i.e. morality, ethics, crimes, peace, tranquility, education, you name. Even the Non Muslims were forced to declare Muhammad (PBUH) as the most effective person of all times! How he did it. He made man a man. He raised their honesty and integrity to the skies, their courage and strength no bounds. Muslims founded all modern laboratories and sciences. Even with gradual decline latter Muslims rulers patronized sciences and education like no one else. Great Salhuddin Ayubi did not make the Hajj as he did not have personal money to go to Hajj and he did not want Govt. money to be spent on his Hajj. He did not have his castle and yet he financed the educational institutes. Mehmood Ghaznawi used all his money on education. His right hand man Ayaz was the Governor of Lahore and laid foundations of numerous educational institutes there. Lahore use to be called Mini Ghazni.
Our Prophet made man a man using Quran. Same Quran is here in absolutely preserved form. One night is better than 1000 months with Quran. So why not first learn and practice Quran and simultaneously engage in developing systems. No system will work unless we have honest people to run it. We have to inculcate honesty in people otherwise even Jibraeel (Alih Islm) will fail as he will have to depend on people. We have to correct the soil before building. We have to honest ourselves before having any right of expectation of being honet from others. Let us do both things together; 1) Instill honesty through Quran and often remembering death and 2) creating systems
With Mot Cordial Regards;
Dr. Anwar Ul Haque
Difficult to agree with the writer. I wish to make just one point though. Pathans have all the space in the world. Pathans are not a problem. They have always lived peacefully with Karachiites. They were not even stopped from settling in Karachi. If they had to be stopped they would have been stopped right at the beginning like it is done in Punjab. They have always been blocked from settling there. This idea in Punjab as if Pathans are being victimised springs from the hatred of Karachiites.
Wonder how the author says that they should be given space? They already have it. What more space do they want? Where they settle they are dens of gun running, drugs, kidnappings,loot and plunder. Although not belonging here their areas are no go areas in Karachi now for age old Karachiites. No body other than Pathans can buy or rent a house there. But they can go anywhere buy anywhere and rent anywhere. How much more space the writer wants for them. So that they can kill more?
Pathans are not a problem but 4,000,000 Afghans are. Pathans are not the problem but ANP whose strings are pulled from KPK is. Pathans are more in Karachi than they are in Peshawar according to Time Magazine. Wherever they go they make it tribal and Ilaqa Ghair (lawless area). Do you want the entire Karachi to be like the Ilaqa Ghair they came from with no law and no order and hence no development? Do you want this space to be given to them?
If they ANP are not reined in, then rest assured just as you don’t go to Peshawar now, you won’t be able to visit Karachi and Karachiites will have to go somewhere else. But they have no where to go unlike Pathans who can at least go to KPK. Have a heart help stop the murders and killings. With such articles it is encouragement for the rogue elements among Pathans/ Pahktuns and ANP.
Remember even a cat back to the walls fights back. Karachiites have no where to go and they may give you a fight for their own survival and that could be very bloody. Pray God that, that does not happen. Amen.
Don’t justify and encourage these murders. Condemn them as they should be condemned. Don’t make excuses of political parties, it only lessens their crime.
Build a consensus to help Karachiites lead a normal life. They get a paper in the body bag saying “how many bodies do you want?” The author seems to have no problem with this. why if you are fair? No this is bad. It is inhuman and unIslamic. It is a crime. Disregard the stands of people with vested interests be they Zarari and Co, and Nawaz Shareef or the ANP leadership.
No where did I read in the article where she wants justice for those killed. She has no remorse either. Shame. You must apologise to the people of Karachi for this obnoxious article whoever you are. The situation is dangerous don’t play games with people’s lives.
Dear “ThinkerWriter”,
First,I have a problem dealing with those who hide behind “pseudonyms”.Get real & use your name.
Two, No one is NOT condemning the murders. Every murder is condemn-able. If you had tried understanding the context of the article,which obviously you did not , you would have understood that what is being said is,ALL living in Karachi need to understand that they are ALL Karachiites. Pashtun factor is a NEW factor, which those earlier living there find difficult to accept.
Your mail stinks of bias. Something I have no patience with.Logic I understand.
Obviously you are no “thinker” much less a “writer”.
Yasmeen Ali
That’s right. Mohajir Majority has to be subdued as Punjabi Pak Army wants and all minorities of Karachi have to be armed to subjugate them. Until this is accomplished ISI would keep causing trouble.
What do you mean by difficult to accept. Who is not accepting them. They have guns and they kill you. There are thousands of cases of their actions. They read Quran 24×7 but when it they get the chance attack. Even if so who is being violent and racist? These are easy assumptions and that is the problem. That is why I think this article so lousy.
A right perspective in your usual simple but convincing style with awesome flow of language and thought. –
the so called political parties can’t resolve the issue, as they are the culprits themselves.
for reference, take a peek at joint investigation reports prepared a few months ago.
and only yesterday, several target killers from Korangi death squad were arrested, including KAMRAN MADHURI, (the leader of the death squad, and a major component of the MQM south african setup). he’s badly injured in the shootout.
only a couple of newspapers ran the story with the arrested ones’ pictures.
rest of the media?? silay hen lub meray, kehnay ko to houn main azaad.
That’s right. Zardari should be kicked out and Martial Law should be imposed on Pakistan so, Pak Army can come out and fix everything like it has been fixing everything in its 47 out of last 55 years of direct and indirect rule of Pakistan. The Problem is, Obama had refused not agree with Gen. Keyani on this a couple of years ago so, what else can poor Pak Army do but to order Taliban to cause killings of Pakistanis, depicting a general unrest etc to show to Obama that Zardari is incompetent?
”Luga k Aag ik bustee ko Badshah ne kaha..Uttha hai dil mein tumaashay ka aaj shaoq bohat…. Jhuka k upnay sirone ko subhi Shahah Prust Boal utthay..Hazoor aap k shaoq slaamut rahain bustiaan aur bohat”…
BUT this unit MUST be STRICTLY controlled so that they do not get out of control and become a Frankenstein. RAB, once glorified, is now not quite liked anymore!
What our countries need at this juncture is : A good man with a big danda for a short time. This combination has been elusive. The time factor being the most difficult to come by!
Javed Helali
Yeah but Obama does not want Gen. Keyani to become that ‘good man with a big danda’. If he did that there would UN Sanctions, Pakistan would get kicked out of Commonwealth, no Charity of Aid and Loans. What can poor Pak Army do besides creating unrest?
The unit if run by the state for the state will never fail, after the fall out of the Munich Olympics The germans formed the GSG 9 to counter terrorism, the communists and break away factions like the Beider Meinhoff , The Russians formed the OMON to counter the mafia and gangs that formed after the break up of the USSR. Use the tools in the right way and you can construct. Use them wrong, you can destroy…
Well everyone is looking at the army but what I am unable to comprehend is where are the people of Pakistan like you and me.
This is our country and we need to come forward and save it for ourselves and our next generation. Why wait for anyone as it is a commoner who is dying not the people at the helm of affairs.
They have all cordoned off themselves from any onslaught. Its time to pay back the sooner we realize this the better chances we have to save this country and its citizens.
Hashim
People like me and you can not stop a flying Bullet shot at us or stop Pak Army Rangers or local Police in Plain Clothes from raping our Daughters during our Home Invasion. If we kill them, we would be declared Terrorist and Foreign Agents. Allah has created Hell on Earth for us.
Blaming everybody except the killers. By not pin pointing you are in fact helping to do more of the same.
If you take a course in English language & re read the article you will understand the killers HAVE been blamed.
Till then,chill!
Its against fashion to accuse Punjabis of any thing wrong. They can be bigots but as soon as you accuse them, you are Racist, Enemy of Pakistan and Traitors doesn’t matter this so called Martial Race had a history of joining every invader that came to loot us; it doesn’t matter as Mercenaries of British Army, they had quashed our rebellion in 1857; it doesn’t matter Punjabi Soldiers of British Army conquered whole India and Afghanistan from 1857 to 1880; it doesn’t matter they were against Pakistan Movement and were arresting Moslim League workers in Punjab until 27th March, 1947; … these Traitors of Motherland and and Occupiers of nations in Pakistan can not be blamed. How can you dare to blame your gods for anything?
Turkman, we all know you are RAW & how you LOVE to promote racist hatred within us unfortunately this time, you are way out trying to push in Punjabi-ism in a subject totally different altogether.I guess you need to take your sorry ass to some other forum today to earn your living!
dear mam, let him bark as no one can stop dogs from barking…..sorry i am using these words for such people which i don,t want 2.
Karachi the city of Lights is burning in its own light I wonder why, All the muulahs are behind them, People of Karachi wants a secular government amf many of the the citizens of Karachi wants to be like India killing own brothers i have not heared now days killing of an innocent people is normal bring Pakistan the way Qaid e-Azam wants to be the killing will be finished if this matter of killing not solved Karachi may fall in hands of India Sind province is not to far from India and bombay is also close by I want Pakstan to be Pakistan the way Our Great leader Jinnah wants to be
thanks
John
John your bias is getting the better of u.This has NOTHING to do with mullahs.Plz re read & avoid shooting mails off the hip.
YAA
Good one, Yasmeen!
I hope and pray that the lives lost do not go in vain and these tragic killings reflect the beginning which brings about the end to the present madness in the nation. The leadership is restricted to Islamabad (similar to Karzai in Kabul). The leaders fiddle away while Rome burns!
Are we speaking of Karachi.com or Jungle.com?
Siraj
Thank U Siraj.
I do not think leadership is restricted to Islamabad but when governments are formed in coalition with parties which rule provinces, federal government is held hostage to the local politics of these parties. MQM is supposed to make announcement to re join Govt. today.
Best
YAA
Take a leaf out of Nasirullah Babar ops plan and adopt it. The matter will solve in quick time. Army must not take over Karachi. It will help our ‘ally’ to further increase its pressure. As it is Americans defiance of our rules is beyond tolerance.
Karachi situation started deteriorating after the language riot in when M Bhutto was the CM Sindh. It aggravated after Bushra Zaidi death. It has not ceased since. The MQM case files must be visited in the archives. These should be studied by independent and honest officials to build the picture then and now. In 1986 in a cabinet meeting where I as a member if JCSC was present the then Prime Minister asked Army to take over the task to bring Karachi to normal. The Army Chief accepted the task on one condition that there would be no political interference. That was not agreed to, till Gen Babar came on the scene.
MQM was created by Gen Zia to counter JI. The extortion and killing became a norm. The Army personnel were also tortured in the cells that were created by MQM. The competition for power between PPP and MQM became intense. Dead bodies in gunny bags became a normal activity. It stops when MQM rules. The situation has aggravated due to the increase in Pustoon population. They encroached on MQM turf and won two seats. MQM desire of taking over Karachi entirely has been jeopardised. The coalition of PPP,MQM and ANP lacks sincerity and trust. Therefore an independent authority has to created to do justice to all. It may also be necessary recast constituencies. The recall of commissionery system was a possible solution that had to be reverted due to MQM opposition. The original population must have their due share in any set up.
Various Mafias have to killed by all means possible. The extortionist are a menace. Arming of the traders or providing protections in an innocuous methods is urgently needed. The law enforcing agencies should all powers to end this malaise.
External involvement is undoubtedly there.CIA/RAW/ MSAD/ KHAD are inn full play. A team of wise patriotic people should go in to permanent session till Karachi is saved.
IAS
Well written article.
In my opinion these gangs are being patronised by the respevtive parties and all concerned must be aware of the leaders and members of these gangs. Even the rangers are capable of doing the needful provided they are permitted to do so.
Rgds
IUH
In ma opinion these problems can be overcome with the joint efforts of the people and LEA,s.Without the support of the people LEA,s can,t overcome such problems. A quick reaction and political will on the available information is very important. There should be call centers to receive the information from the people and sincere people from LEA,s or volunteers to accomplish the tasks.Ladies and Gentlemen in such operations we don,t have to follow the law of Human Rights.Human Rights are only for human not for butchers.In places where the situations are worse up till that extent you can,t give the lessons of morality and human rights ova there. Those held responsible should be made examples for the generations to remember.But justice should be above law. sorry i can be wrong but in ma opinion you can,t deal a common man and a terrorist the same way.In this regards media should also Help LEA,s in depicting the true scenarios and actions in the interests of Pakistan.There should be a separate law and courts to deal with such cases.Last thing institutions should be stronger than individuals.Operation should be irrespective of caste mohajir,pathan or anyone because, we are Pakistanis and above all Muslims. so, no such concept should be there .Rgds
No, I think, the problem can be solved by asking India to solve the problem just like majority of Pakistanis of 1971, the Creators of Moslim League, the major group behind Pakistan Movement had done.
Was not East Pakistan’s population 56% of West Pakistan in 1971 just like Non Punjabi population of present Pakistan is 56% of the total?
What have Moslims gotten from creation of Pakistan?
* 5 Moslim Billionaires in India out of 45, in less Population of Moslims than in Pakistan and only one Moslim Billionaire in Pakistan because of Military Looting and Anti Industrial Policies.
* India’s 2nd richest man, a Moslim. Azim Premji.
* More Moslims have been killed by Pak Army in Pakistan and Afghanistan than by Indian Army in India in last 64 years.
* More Moslims have been killed in riots and Sneak Attacks in Pakistan than in India in last 2 decades.
* No Moslims bomb each others Mosques in India. Why? Because there is no Pak Army there causing those bombings through its Mercenary JehaaDi Groups.
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Pakistan would not have become a failed state, a Terrorist Heaven, Al Qaeda Sanctuary and a pariah to the world if Punjab was not a part of it.
Links where published(this article) so far:
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=110482
http://www.veracitynow.com/Matrix-of-Terror/karachicom.html
http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/2011/08/yasmeen-ali-karachi-com/
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=213393
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Karachi-com-by-Yasmeen-Ali-110820-758.html
AHMAD wrote: Mr. Turkman your views seems to be anti Pakistan.
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TURKMAN: No. Pak Army is Anti Pakistan and proof is Bangladesh.
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AHMAD wrote: You are creating quite disturbing situations by running away from the actual facts and cause of this situation.
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TURKMAN: No. I am not running away and quoting facts. You are running away from me and removing the Click that says ‘Reply’ from your posts so, I can not answer your B.S.
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AHMAD wrote: You are trying to split Pakistan by calling its Army,rangers a Punjabi army and Rangers.
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TURKMAN: Oh really? Then which other Ethnic Group are Pak Army and Pak Army Rangers’.and Police in Pakistan from if not Punjabi? In which of 192 countries of the world, people have this kind of discrimination that people of an Ethnic Group of 44% of population make up 90 to 95% in any Government Department and then they keep killing people other Ethnic Groups declaring them Traitors to keep them subdued and subjugated in the name of Country and Religion for decade after decade?
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AHMAD wrote: Mr. you will never ever find ISI involved in anti Pakistan activities.
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TURKMAN: I know, because ISI is Pakistan, not Pakistanis.
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AHMAD wrote: It has always fought the war of survival of Pakistan against many agencies.
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TURKMAN: I know, what kind of Imaginary Wars it has been fighting.
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AHMAD wrote: I am sure it is doing the same. You only see that side of the picture which you want to see ,but let me assure you this is not going to happen. From where i see i can see the hands of MI-6 .RAW,RAMA,CIA and all the other anti Pakistan agencies.
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TURKMAN: Please take pictures of Hands of MI-6, RAW, RAMA, CIA and all other Anti Pakistan Agencies and prove your B.S. …! If USA paid 1% of her Charity of Aid and Loans to ISI, it would have sold Pakistan to USA and CIA would not have been needed in Pakistan to catch Osama.
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AHMAD wrote: Her the unfortunate is unknowingly our own people are supporting them in there agenda. Mi-6 is quite active in karachi now a days and RAMA and RAW actively involved in training the anti Pakistan talibans in their training camps at NOM at Nuristan(Afghanistan).
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TURKMAN: Are you trying to tell me, MI-16 wants Pakistan to become a part of British Empire again or RAW is trying to make Pakistan become a part of India? Which stupid world you live in, sir? They are training Anti Pakistan Taliban? Taliban, Employees of Pak Army are now turning Anti Pakistan? Then, why those few thousand Taliban have they not been shot dead like East Pakistanis by your brave patriotic Martial Race Punjabi Army of 600,000 Soldiers so far?
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AHMAD wrote: Read something about the training of RAW and RAMA in Afghanistan you will come to know about the reality which you don,t want to see.
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TURKMAN: Why I have to read lies of ISI, when I know the truth and my friends are telling me every thing going on in PakhToon Khwah, Northern Areas and Tribal Areas?.
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AHMAD wrote: Next time don,t call any Paliktani Punjabi,Pathan,Balochi or Sindi.We are the sons and daughters of this house (Pakistan).ya there can be differences between the family members but we will overcome that.Just because of few individuals don,t try to split us…
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TURKMAN: … Yeah just like in 1971, right? If you are not lying, tell me why is Punjabi Army getting Non Punjabi Pakistanis killed by Taliban, religious groups and its other Agents besides itself keep killing Balochis in Afghanistan? Just stop your B.S. because its not going to work anymore and all Non Punjabi Pakistanis are waking up because of facts are eroding your people’s Lies, Kooffaar, killers of Pakistanis …!………………..
You are right Ahmed.They always are.Reason is simple. TURKMAN is a pseudonym for a RAW agent!
YAA
I was a Communist Agent for Americans, On Forums of Religious Christians, I have been a Satanic Moslim.
I have been an ISI Agent on forums of Hindus and Bangladeshis.
On some Bangladeshi Forums, I have been an ISI Agent.
On Forums of Mollaas, I have been a ‘MorTiD’ and ‘Kaafir’.
On Pakistani Forums, I have been called a RAW, CIA, KHaD, MOSSAD and KGB Agent, so what’s new?
We Punjabis have been Agents of every Invader of Sub Continent throughout our long history. Its our habit to become Agents. The Problem is, USA has not invaded Pakistan otherwise, we all would be Agents of USA also.
The photograph and outbursts of the top stooge of Zaradari,p.m Gilani are enough of stimuli to trigger catharsis of all frustrated,disgusted and muzzled people. However can any conscientious-minded Pakistani believe that Gilani’s deserve any attension,much less being indicative of any hope for a corrective and effective action.
Most of the times he doesn’t know what he is talking about so no question of any outcome of his announcements except uselerss apologies and quick about turns.
MSC
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