Uncle Sam Meddling in Baluchistan: Back Off!

By Yasmeen Ali

Pakistan Parliamentarians must table a resolution to carve New Mexico away from it’s affiliation in USA and restore it to its pre-geographical entity of the Mexican-American War (1846-48). With New Mexico’s population boasting the highest rate of Hispanics (estimated 46% in 2010), including descendents of Spanish Colonialists and recent immigrants from Latin America, US rule on New Mexico may rightly be deemed as alien rule. The majority of Hispanics claim a Spanish ancestry, especially in the northern part of the state.

Of course, this will be out rightly rejected by USA who never believed in the motto ,”What’s sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander”. In complete disregard for this idiom, USA has acted, much like an elephant in a China Shop, causing destruction in the name of democracy, human rights and other similar big sounding slogans. Except, this destruction has been completely selective! Not when it effects America’s own interest. Or those of her “friends”.

Alan Hart, commenting on US’s veto of Russia and China, in his recent article http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30470.htm  states,” …how do we explain the fact that all the governments of the Western world, led by America, are on the wrong side of it because of their support for the Zionist state of Israel right or wrong – unending occupation, on-going ethnic cleansing and all? There is a one-word answer. Hypocrisy.”  He rightfully questions if is it good policy only if a nation agrees with Uncle Sam & bad policy if it does not?

Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who recently expressed support for an independent Baluchistan in an article, is to chair a meeting of the US Congress Committee on Foreign Affairs to deliberate upon Baluchistan, today. “Perhaps we should even consider support for a Baluchistan carved out of Pakistan to diminish radical power there (in Pakistan),” Rohrabacher had written in his article. http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2012/02/congressional-hearing-on-balochistan-annoys-pakistan/

There are signs that London-led project to separate Baluchistan from Pakistan has been given an impetus.” The objectives are many. To name a few: It would weaken a belligerent Pakistan, create a buffer between Pakistan and Afghanistan; secure a strong foothold along the southeastern borders of Iran; and undo China’s long-term plan to link up the Karakoram Highway in the north to the Arabian Sea, by a land bridge running through Baluchistan,” says Ramtanu Maitra in his article “Balochistan: Is US backing London’s plan to dismember Pakistan?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vbgGw9rHJX0J:www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx%3Fid%3D2144+Why+does+US+want+to+carve+Baluchistan+away+from+Pakistan+as+a+seperate+entity%3F&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk

 

Selig Harrison, in his article for The National Interest of 3rd Feb 2011, considered to be an expert on Baluchistan for the US, states that an independent Baluchistan must be supported since Pakistan has given Gwader in heart of Baluchistan to China, and therefore, an independent Baluchistan would support USA’ s regional interests and counter Islamist forces . Exactly how the Islamist forces will be countered by an independent Baluchistan is unclear.

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yyj76uOV8HgJ:intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2011/02/free-baluchistan-selig-s-harrison.html+Selig+Harrison,+writing+for+The+National+Interest,+Feb.+1,+2011&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk

 

Obama Administration has identified two enemies; China and Iran. The latter, is being perceived as a threat with Iran going nuclear(another perception erected with no facts to back it), leading to  imposing resulting sanctions, isolating Iran etc.Whereas USA has opened dialogues with Taliban composed of Wahabis, thereby avowed opponents of majority Shia’ite Iran, to counter this threat. Taliban could not have opened office in Qatar without a nod from UK. A Taliban government in Kabul ensures an opposing force to Iran. However, the question as to how a nuclear Israel is not a threat to the world and a nuclear Iran is, remains unclear and unanswered.

Baluchistan plays a strong role in China’s future development as a Regional Super Power, rising to a World Super Power. Pakistan minus Baluchistan pulls the rug out from under China’s feet!

In an article carried exclusively by pakpotpourri2,by  Brigadier Shaukat Qadir® ,titled  “Another Conspiracy Theory”, quotes a person he simply states as X  who he corresponded with regarding the role & involvement in US in Pakistan,writes, “The US has concluded that the Pakistan army is part of the problem, not the solution; and that the interests of the Pakistan army are not identical with those of Pakistan. Consequently, the US has decided that the Pakistan army has to be cut to size and, if in the process of doing so, the Pakistan army is destroyed, so be it. And, I agree”. The article was in context with what came to be known as the Memogate scandal. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cqrqUk9rHBsJ:pakpotpourri.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/another-conspiracy-theory/+Another+conspiracy+theory+by+Brig+Shaukat+qadir&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pk

USA has her own interests in the Region. Of that, there is no doubt.

The elephant is planning to gate crash into another China Shop. The elephant must be stopped. It is a completely incorrect view that by virtue of being a “Super Power”, USA has the right to act “Super Bully”.

(The writer is  lawyer based in Lahore, professor in a University & can be contacted on yasmeen.a.9@gail.com).

 

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  • Pervez  On February 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Yasmeen’s article gives good advice.

    The U.S. must be forced to give up its plans for Baluchistan.

    What actions need to be taken to make them give up the idea completely?

    Please act if you can. There is no need to disclose what we do in Pakistan’s interest. Nip the plan in the bud. Now.

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 5:48 am

      Yeah if USA has any plans for USA but its a lie that USA is causing anything in Baluchistan. Its neither USA nor India. Its Punjabis killing Balochis like they have been killing other Non Punjabis since birth of Pakistan.

  • Khan Zubair Khalil  On February 8, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    It is good to know specially, There are signs that London-led project to separate Baluchistan from Pakistan has been given an impetus.” The objectives are many. To name a few: It would weaken a belligerent Pakistan, create a buffer between Pakistan and Afghanistan; secure a strong foothold along the southeastern borders of Iran; and undo China’s long-term plan to link up the Karakoram Highway in the north to the Arabian Sea, by a land bridge running through Baluchistan,” says Ramtanu Maitra in his article “Balochistan: Is US backing London’s plan to dismember Pakistan?”

    You think matter is seriously been taken by top notches of Pakistan? To me no. If Baluchies remained dissatisfied the job for US will become easy. Better try to give some wake up call to Pakistani stake holders also.

    ZK

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 5:50 am

      Yeah, whenever Pak Army starts killing people of some Ethnic Group of Pakistan, they are declared Traitors and Conspiracy Theories are spun around by Satanic Islamabad. What’s new?

  • Peter Chamberlain  On February 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Hi Yasmeen,

    If Rep. Rohrabacher’s hearing was the only American meddling in Balochistan I wouldn’t worry about it. However his little evil was preceded by far greater American evils in Balochistan. See all the following research from newsCentralasia’s hard-working reporters.

    The Stunning Investigative Story on the Birth of Balochistan Liberation Army–Mar 1, 2005

    ‘Final Solution’ Frenzy – Part One: From Afghanistan with Love ;

    ‘Final Solution’ Frenzy – Part Two: Russian Atheist Explains Suicide Bombing;

    ‘Final Solution’ Frenzy – Part Three: Rendezvous with Final Solution;

    ‘Final Solution’ Frenzy – Part Four: Final Solution for Pakistan]

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 5:51 am

      I know, I know, it was Evil USA that had caused birth of Bangladesh also, right?
      That’s right. USA was behind assassination of Hzt. Imam Hussain also.

  • Riaz  On February 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    A commendable effort by YA to highlight the interventions of US ,its reasons and effects .Balochistan is also a hotbed of tensions between India and Pakistan, with Indian intelligence agencies are arming and funding the Baloch insurgents in order to break up Pakistan. India has denied the charges, but for decades both countries have used covert agencies to undermine the other. The danger is that amidst all of Pakistan’s other problems – a crashing economy, political unrest and the Taleban insurgency in the north – the Baloch will come to feel more and more neglected and forgotten, thereby increasing the chances of more spectacular acts of terrorism.Balochistan is the largest province of Pakistan in terms of area. It is rich in mineral resources and natural gas, and prospects of finding oil in some areas cannot be ruled out. It is pitiable to note that such a potentially rich area has been neglected by the country’s ruling elite for more than 60 years. Economically, politically, educationally and socially, the people of Balochistan have been ignored by Pakistan’s establishment which has resulted in large-scale resentment and disillusionment. Correct assessment of the situation and finding ways to address the grievances of people seems to be only remedy

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 5:57 am

      Yeah, yeah. I was in East Pakistan in 1971. I had seen Indian Army and USA supplying Bengalis, Bambos and Knives that they had used against Behaaris there. Indian Army and USA have always provided all the Pistols to Mohajirs, Sindhis, Pushtoons and Balochis also. Why has Pakistan not accused India and USA of all this so far though …?
      Because we love to lie and spread hate against India and USA with our lies.

  • MUHAMMAD CHAUDHRY  On February 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm

    The old time slogan,” Might is right”, still holds good in letter and spirit.In this 21st century world,termed as global village amidst influx of media and unprecednted I.T tools that triggered unimaginable phenomenona of Arab Spring and OWS, it’s not going to be easy but it all depends on the mobilization of conscientious-minded Pakistanis and emergence of candid,competent and committed leadership with far-sight and enough of self-denial to forestall the advance of the elephant in China shop.Let’s all do our bit for this objective.
    msc

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 5:58 am

      That’s right. Kill as many Americans that we can get killed through our Mercenaries, the Taliban, right?

  • Syed Nayyar Uddin  On February 8, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    The following are my comments with reference to the news item published today, Wednesday, 8 February, 2012 by the daily “Pakistan Today” titled “US Congressional Hearing on Balouchistan.”

    If Americans have decided to intervene on such matters then a much bigger humanitarian issue of Kashmir should be on top of their agenda, where more than hundred thousand people have been killed, a million injured and thousands are missing, due to the brutalities of Indian security forces, which has the world’s largest concentration of troops in the human history.

    Moreover, if such internal interventions of Americans are not stopped forthwith, Pakistan should immediately stop it’s air space for US and ask them to take back their ambassador from Islamabad.

    This is what Americans are rewarding us with, after our 13 years of sacrifices in their war on terror?

    Syed Nayyar Uddin Ahmad
    Lahore – Pakistan.

    • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 9, 2012 at 4:42 am

      Well said,Nayyar, Uncle Sam should focus on the Kashmir issue,if the intentions are,”Humanitarian’,and ,also on the plight of indians in the 16 states within its federation which seek ,independence from Dehli,However Yasmeen’s point on the equally important,humanitarian need,i.e,The poor down trodden hispanics,and,Not to forget, the Actual red indians,the legal owners of North America.
      Who have been systematically exterminated by the Terminators,And sadly,all in a span of a little over a 100 years.One see’s,the Afro-Americans,But,where are the red indians,in the land of plenty ?

      • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:08 am

        That’s right. USA should order India to put Kashmir on a Platter and gift it to us so our all retiring Generals can have 140 and Brigadiers 70 acres of Kashmir. USA should also disintegrate India so we can conquer her provinces one by one after that because just keeping 56% of Non Punjabi population enslaved is really not enough for us anymore.
        USA had just a million Spanish in 1960 and now 50 million. Americans should let them rule USA now because we ‘Nmak Hraam’ living off USA hate White Americans. USA is actually land of Red Indians but our Pakistan is not land of Pak Schedule Caste Hindus and Christians. We the Aryans, Arabs, Turks, and Persians now called Punjabis are the real owner of Pakistan because Allah had given us the Title Deed of Pakistan.
        Why should we worry about, where are the real owners and Natives of Pakistan?
        Only Americans should worry about that because now we have arrived in USA to take over USA.

  • Amir Rana  On February 9, 2012 at 1:56 am

    Agreed that the elephant must be stopped BUT the million dollar question is “How?” Do we have the power, resources and most importantly “Will” to do this ?????

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:11 am

      Of course, he does. He is representative of JehaaDi Pakistan Military, that is behind Al Qaeda and Taliban. His people can destroy just like they claim that they have destroyed USSR.

  • Shahjehan  On February 9, 2012 at 2:05 am

    YA,,,,,ur take on several more provinces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a foodt for thot………..what is the clout enjoyed by Baluchs in one baluchistan currently shared by a vast Pathan population……….and how about a baluchistan with pathans restricted to a new province comprising of Zhob ,Pishin,Qilla Abdullah ,,,at the most !

  • Sajid  On February 9, 2012 at 2:06 am

    Very admirable,detailed,and bold ,discussion by Yasmeen Ali,,,The Baluchistan disordered situation turned into Independent Baluchistan Movement,due to involvement of Anti-Pakistan elements .Establishment and the Lords of Baluchistan are responsible for the situation, Establishment did not take any serious effort for the social economic and Political development,Lords instead of taking care of there poor people used to spend funds on making them more powerful,and now after the death of Nawab Akbar Bughti,it flared up all the region,give way to the Anti,Pakistani forces from inside and outside. India and America very rapidly working on destabilization and then disintegration of Baluchistan,for their mutual interest in the region,America needs, a better control over the region, to counter Chinese economic interests.The American Indian and western media is supporting as well.Pakistan needs a clear, firm and determined foreign policy,the Government should expose the Indian involvement and harboring the insurgents.the Government should declare an emergency of social and economic development of the region,as well.

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:16 am

      That’s right. Looting of Natural Resources of Baluchistan by Pakistan is just natural. Its responsibility of Baloch Leaders to keep starving poor Balochis happy with the Bread Crumbs that Pakistan have been throwing at those leaders.
      What Chinese Economic Interests are there in Baluchistan?
      Are you people out of your minds?
      Can there be any talk amongst Pakis that there are no lies in it\?

  • khan saheb  On February 9, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Yasmeen

    More than anybody else the Balochis themselves have been fighting for “freedom” from Pakistan (and Iran). I am told that the pak parcham is banned in most places and are burning them is common. In fact, in Lyari area( Karachi) burning of PK parcham is common. Balochistan have their own flag and this is hardlya new development. Please see link below.

    http://freebaloch.blogspot.com/

    When the Fed Govt in Islamabad continues to treat the largest province of PK as a stepchild, ignores 8m people who occupy 44% of the entire land area of PK, somebody will have to meddle, specially when it has now become perhaps the most strategic province of the country. PK’s leadership is operating in the Nero style – fiddling away.

    Maybe I did not grasp it fully, but who exactly is asking Uncle Sam to back off?

    Siraj

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:21 am

      The only problem is, false propaganda that USA and India are behind Baloch Free4dom Fighters is a lie spread around to justify killing of Balochis. No body is getting fooled by these lies because whenever Punjabis decide to start killing some Non Punjabis such lies are fed to us. Only patriots are Punjabi and all rest of Pakis have been declared Traitors of Pakistan at one point or the other in past.

  • Syed Wajahat  On February 9, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    This may sound Corny, (very simple) but, how about a constant barrage of emails to public instituitions of USA, such as Universities, ACLU, African American organizations in addition to all seneators and congressmen.
    Expressing your views of how this should be handled.

    Let us try to supress the first instinct, to get emotional and talk about forceful resistance and fighting. Those actions are futile. Show the world, we are not a nation of violance by finding out
    peaceful ways to resist this.

    I know there are many extremely intelligent and innovative people out there. They just need to be brought into this camp.

    Syed W. Hussain

  • Naveed Tajammul  On February 9, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Indians have a powerfull lobby within the circles of power,cultivated over the years,naturally with funds provided,by the Indian statecraft,i think it is a excellent idea,provided volunteers can be found to implement it.

    Naveed Tajammal,

  • MUHAMMAD CHAUDHRY  On February 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    What S.W.H said makes sense,so the power is not the issue but will,certainly is.Let’s start doing what we can and the rest will follow:
    msc

  • Syed Wajahat  On February 9, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    We are the volunteers, if we can type out a message on this forum, we can type out an email to various organizations of the world. Trust me they are all reachable.
    This is the world of communcations. We are all connected.

    Syed W. Hussain.

  • Maidhc  On February 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    Thanks for the information, Yasmeen.

    However, I think “Uncle Moishe” not Uncle Sam is the source of the problem here! The U.S. is only slowly beginning to wake up (perhaps too late to save itself from destruction) to the fact that it is just being used to advance Zionist hegemony “from Morocco to Pakistan” — at the very least.

    By attacking the U.S., you unintentionally provide cover for those driving its suicidal foreign policy. Please consider whose interests Selig Harrison and Dana Rohrabacher are really pushing by destabilizing Pakistan.

    Best,
    Maidhc

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:24 am

      USA has never taken any interest in domestic politics of Pakistan and this why Punjabis have killed millions of Non Punjabis since 1947.

  • Admiral Sirohey  On February 9, 2012 at 1:39 pm

    All foreign foot prints must be removed from Pakistan Soil. CIA though reduced to some extent it however still remains pervasive in Pakistan. It has a vast network of the locals. On a very high payroll. Many of them have also been compromised.

    CIA also has inducted MOSAD that already has a vast network in India that participate in anti Pakistan activities. Now is the time to extern CIA from Pakistan. Call all Pakistanis to dissociate from it. If any one found associated later the punishment will be quick and severe.

    Deal with Balochistan Issue till the smoke comes from the chimney. These suggestions are workable only decent and honest workers are required.

    IAS

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:28 am

      That’s right. Punjab should be kicked out of Pakistan and all Foreign Foot Prints of Punjabis should be erased from Pakistan. Only then, Pakistan would be able to advance and prosper. Leave Punjab behind. India would be able to take care of it later and PUnjabis would be licking Shoes of Hindus just like they used to for centuries before we had freed them from Hindus on 14th August, 1947 …!

  • Maidhc  On February 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Just some of the latest from The Passionate Attachment:

    Balochistan: The Next Pro-Israel ‘Humanitarian’ Project?

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Zunes

    Regime Change Inc.’s ‘two-pronged strategy’ against Putin

    Senator Lieberman: US should mull arming Syria rebels

    Krauthammer: Syria: It’s not just about freedom (it’s about Israel, of course!)

    America’s Rabbi wants to be ‘the values-voice in the US Congress’

    The Man Who Tweets ‘Revolutions’
    Israel’s Vice PM: Fall of Assad could weaken Mideast ‘axis of evil’

    The World Turned Upside Down (by Israel)

    Antiwar.com’s Justin Raimondo calls the media kettle black (again) on Syria

    The Daily Beast disavows patriotic American’s website; Jeffrey Goldberg smears both as anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:29 am

      We know, we know. World is upside down in Pakistan.

  • Rauf  On February 9, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    YAA Ji.
    Our prime organisations are fully aware about he American Agenda and their intentions.
    This had been going on for almost a decade, perhaps more. Look at the scenario. If Balochistan
    breakaway (Allah forbid) who will benefit the most. United States of American. They
    will be first to recognize the new state if it come in to being.
    Among many here are few reasons that I should highlight.
    1- Balochistan borders Iran plus Gawadar Port
    2- Blocking permanently the Chinese interests.
    3- Explored and un-explored minerals
    4- Proximity to Strait of Hormuz and major shipping lanes.

    By the way USA does not make any friends without any business interests.
    Cheers
    Rauf

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:39 am

      1. Baluchistan borders Iran plus Gwadur Port, but it has no Commercial or Economic importance or Pakistan would have become a rich country from it.
      2. China has no interest in Gwadur or Baluchistan and it was clarified by China last month.
      3. Allah knows, there are no Minerals or Natural Resources in Baluchistan that are not already being stolen by Islamabad Bureaucracy.
      4. A distance of 300 Nautical Miles from Gwadur can be considered proximity to Hormuz only by some Military Genius like this man, Rauf.
      .What are we going to do without such great people …!

  • Chaudhry Nasim  On February 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Its time to understand the implications of what Zulifqar Mirza had said in his famous press conference: ” Its Army and not the Government which is protecting the solidarity of Pakistan” and ” Had it not been for the Army and ISI, Pakistan would have broken by now”, or words to that effect. Now Uncle Sam does it from within and steps in physically only when every thing is ‘taken care of’. Nationalist and patriotic citizens watch helplessly and jokers in positions carry out their nefarious mission. Right now Army and ISI are under extreme pressure from all directions. This definitely is as per script. Ma’am, who will tell Uncle to back off?
    CNU

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:43 am

      That’s right. Because all Pakistanis have been Traitors of Pakistan since her birth and only patriotic Pakistanis have been Punjabis, who had never wanted to be a part of Pakistan during Pakistan Movement, who else can keep now rest of the half Pakistan united but those great Punjabis to keep their rule?
      Punjab is Pakistan not Pakistanis. Not especially Non Punjabi Pakistanis.

  • Khan Zia  On February 9, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Your ‘might is right’ Congressmen!

    Letter to Editor

    You the American Congressmen are probably ‘rightly’ talking about an ‘independent’ Balochistan, which while sitting thousands of miles off your happy abodes, will be in your ‘national security’ interests. To you the time is ripe; with your TTP-plan you have somehow succeeded in crippling the strong economy, damaging the might of Pakistan military and fracturing the fabric of society; now it is in your words not able to safeguard and defend, the nation state is on the brink. That you have engineered a patch-up with the anti-Iran Taliban in Afghanistan amidst Israeli threats to bomb the Iranian nuclear installations, the Balochistan corridor will provide you enough ground to move on with your designs. Why, after all, you are out to do this business of killing and dumping? Don’t you stop for a while, think as humans and help peace to prevail?

    Your colleague, the Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, who recently expressed support for an independent Balochistan in an article, chaired a meeting of the US Congress Committee on Foreign Affairs and deliberated upon Balochistan. “Perhaps we should even consider support for a Balochistan carved out of Pakistan to diminish radical power there. There are signs that London-led project to separate Balochistan from Pakistan has been given an impetus. As Ramtanu Maitra has mentioned in his article “Balochistan: Is US backing London’s plan to dismember Pakistan?” writes: “The objectives are many. To name a few: it would weaken a belligerent Pakistan, create a buffer between Pakistan and Afghanistan, secure a strong foothold along the southeastern borders of Iran; and undo China’s long-term plan to link up the Karakorum Highway in the north to the Arabian Sea, by a land bridge running through Balochistan.” Selig Harrison, in his Feb 3 article, states that an independent Balochistan must be supported since Pakistan has given Gwader in heart of Balochistan to China, and therefore, an independent Balochistan would support USA’s regional interests and counter Islamist forces.” The same Balochistan expert, in his address to a seminar on Balochistan held in New York, pleaded for an independent Balochistan, saying the six million people want independence. Who doesn’t know six million is an exaggerated figure?

    But you must have read, and ignored, many voice from within your ranks, like Alan Hart’s recent article in which he states: “how do we explain the fact that all the governments of the western world, led by America, are on the wrong side of it because of their support for the Zionist state of Israel right or wrong – unending occupation, ongoing ethnic cleansing and all? There is one-word answer. Hypocrisy!” He rightfully questions it is a good policy only if a nation agrees with Uncle Sam and bad policy if it does not? Would you ignore Brian Cloughley’s a number of advices, and the timely article by a serving Lt Colonel of the US army, Daniel Davis, who begs you to stop this crime against the humanity? Don’t you listen to your people across America, and the families receiving the body-bags everyday?

    I have only one question, if you please listen to the voice of conscience. What if Pakistan’s parliamentarians table a resolution to carve New Mexico away from it’s affiliation in the USA and restore it to its pre-geographical entity of the Mexican-American War (1846-48)? With New Mexico’s population boasting the highest rate of Hispanics (estimated 46% in 2010), including descendents of Spanish Colonialists and recent immigrants from Latin America, US rule on New Mexico may rightly be deemed as alien rule. The majority of Hispanics claim a Spanish ancestry, especially in the northern part of the state. But of course, Mr & Mrs Congressmen, your might is right.

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:45 am

      That’s right. Might of Punjab Military is right of Punjabis to keep ruling Pakistan from behind the curtain under guise of Staged Democracies.

  • MUHAMMAD CHAUDHRY  On February 10, 2012 at 1:57 am

    Amir,
    The cumulative impact of small bits of 180 million can move the mountains
    msc

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:46 am

      Yeah and this why whole world is trembling.

  • Shahjehan  On February 10, 2012 at 2:27 am

    It shows,Clear involvement and intentions,of America,the level of meeting,shows the open support for Independent Baluchistan,,It was Presided by Dana Rohrabacher,the prime supporter of Indpendent Baluchistan.So, its a serious matter,and Foreign office reacted accordingly,,,

  • Javed Chaudhry  On February 10, 2012 at 3:47 am

    Bravo, an excellent suggestion, Yasmeen sahiba, at least to make a point, if nothing else, bringing a resolution against the American occupation of New Mexico. But the only problem is who in the Pakistani parliament has the guts to stand up to their masters in Washington. Large bank accounts of the laundered money in the US and in other countries (CIA knows all about them) would be frozen instantly if any such talk takes place in Islamabad.

    None of the Pakistani central governments since the partition has dealt with the Blochistan problem seriously or intelligently. The rebellious and radical elements have always existed in that province on the behest of various Sardars who did not wish to give up the primitive Sardari system purely for selfish reasons. The bad situation became worst when the KGB funded and Indian assisted BLA (Blochistan Liberation Army) was created in early 1980s during the early days of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The idea was to destabilize Pakistan to reduce its strategic covert action against the Soviets. The creation of BLA did not help the Soviets, but it turned out to be a long term social and political problem in Blochistan against the federation of Pakistan. Due to the mismanagement of the successive Pakistan governments, the radical element has only multiplied during the last 30 years.

    The Blochistan issue has taken a new turn on the international chessboard under the American cross-hair since 9/11. The political and economic occupation of Pakistan by the US, first under its agent Gen. Musharraf (from September 2001 to the end of 2007) and then the NRO created cabal of puppets under Zardari since 2008. In order to serve their personal interests, the Pakistani ruling elite has vested interest in pretending that Pakistan cannot survive without the USAID. To this end, they have declared the American fraudulent war on terror as their own. Quite predictably, this has created numerous radical elements from Wazeristan to Blochistan, causing Pakistan’s destabilization leading to the breakdown of law and order which has totally destroyed the economy. In order to serve the American interests in the region, Pakistan has lost ten times more of its own hard earned money and assets, only to receive a chicken-feed of a financial help from the US.

    A brief review of the history of Blochistan during the last half of the 19th century would be desirable to shed some light on the claims being made by various Blochi Sardars. After having the last Mughal emperor deposed, the British Empire started its aggressive military activities in the region that lies West of River Sind in order to control Afghanistan against the Russian interests – the well known political struggle popularly known as ‘The Great Game’. For these activities, British forces needed a trouble free base in Blochistan from which to launch their offensives against Afghanistan. Blochistan was divided into small regions under various feudal Sardars and warlords, constantly fighting against each other to expand the writ of their influence. To protect its own forces against the local aggression, the British Indian government provided protection to Khan of Kalat from other local Bloch Sardars. This way, the Khan of Kalat compromised with the British empire against the rest of the Bloch Sardars. This was the policy, the British had always employed in all of its acquired territories. The fact that the British forces protected the region called Kalat from others in Blochistan is now being misused by many Blochi Sardars as an excuse to declare the whole of the territory of Blochistan a separate state, pretending to be independent of and unaffected by the 1947 charter creating two separate and independent countries, Pakistan and India.

    The history of British activities in Blochistan from mid to the end the 19th century under the British army officer, Robert Sandeman is worth studying to understand the British strategic interests in Blochistan. Today, the interest of the American Empire are no different from the British Empire of 19th and 20th century. The Great Game is being rejuvenated with even more vigor and strength. Pakistan needs intelligent, honest and people of integrity in Islamabad to ward off the web of troubles being weaved by the American-Indian nexus. Sadly, the present day incompetent ruling elites are only part of the problem.

    Javed

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 6:55 am

      What History of British Activity in Balochistan from mid to the end of 19th Century this nut is talking about?
      British had entered Baluchistan only in last quarter of 19th Century around 1876 with the help of Punjabis serving in British Army. Baluchistan was an Afghan Territory in those days and this is why PushToons still there.Pakistan had invaded Baluchistan in 1949 and has been illegally occupying it just like half of Afghanistan now called PukhToon Khwah. Are we forgetting, Peshawar used to be the largest city of Afghanistan until 1934, when our Punjab born PushToon Maharaja Ranjit Singh had conquered it on his way to Kashmir?

      • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 10, 2012 at 8:06 am

        Turkman read before you put your FOOT in your Mouth,as has been noted,from time to time, and Here,again, you have done the same.
        Just to set the Record Right (Do read, The records of Treaties,Sunnuds,and Engagements,compiled by the Foreign Department of British Government of India,by C.U.Aitchison,edition of 1865,vol vii).
        The British had concluded the first treaty with,the Nizamate of Kalat,prior to the First Afghan war,and Alexander Burnes was deputed to do so) i hope you must be aware of year when First Afghan war started,Turkman ???{ lol}
        There never was a geographic entity of Balluchistan till, the British created one.Bulk of what is Balluchistan has been since times gone by a, part of Suba of MULTAN,till Shalkot or Quetta(a british coined term).
        As,to your ranting about that Sikh ruler,and his conquest of Peshawar,kindly recheck your dates.
        So,Turkman or who so, ever you maybe (redneck or Yankee).
        Your Faulty & Foul remarks about the people of Pakistan are getting worse,,year by year,your insight in our integral affairs,needs a study,but Pathetic as you are,one interesting thing you mentioned in your reply to ‘Riaz’ above,that you had been ‘Stationed’ in East Pakistan in 1971.
        Which but,Substantiated the fact,your masters/mentors,in their stupidity still give weight to your perceptions,you are indeed a prime example of a 5th columnist at his best,But now getting old in years,and hence Desperate ???
        to deliver like,the East Pakistan Affairs to your Masters ,what they Aspire ??
        In due course of time,your identity will be exposed by those who write their,doings,when they retire,to gain a speck of spotlight however tainted it maybe.but write they all do,food for thought Turkman……..!

  • Syed Nayyar Uddin  On February 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Ms Yasmeen Sahiba,

    Full marks for an excellent article. Really impressive. Well done.

    Warm regards,

    Nayyar

    Sent from my iPad.

  • Mansoor Mubeen  On February 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    laga kay aag wo poochtay hain kay dhuwan sa kahan say uthta hey

  • Yasmeen Ali  On February 10, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    US govt distances itself from Balochistan hearing

    Anwar Iqbal | Front Page | From the Newspaper 50 mins ago
    “Our view on this has not changed, and you know where we’ve been on Balochistan. We encourage all the parties in Balochistan to work out their differences peacefully and through a valid political process,” Ms Nuland said. “Within Pakistan?” she was asked. “Correct,” she replied. – File photo

    WASHINGTON: The US State Department has distanced itself from a congressional hearing on Balochistan and opposed the idea of independent Balochistan, adding that the problems of the province should be resolved through peaceful and political means.
    At news briefing in Washington, the department’s spokesperson Victoria Nuland said the US administration had not changed its policy and continued to see Balochistan as part of the Pakistani state.
    “What is the US administration’s position on this? Do you support the demand for an independent Balochistan carved out of Pakistan?” Ms Nuland was asked.
    “Our view on Balochistan has not changed. We are aware of this hearing. As you know, Congress holds hearings on many foreign affairs topics. These hearings don’t necessarily imply that the US government endorses one view or another view. I’d underscore that the State Department is not participating or involved in this hearing,” she said.
    “For our part, just refer you to some comments I made on Twitter a couple of weeks ago with regard to our unchanged position on Balochistan. We emphasise that the United States engages with Pakistan on a whole range of issues, including ways to foster economic development and expand opportunity in Balochistan.”
    “Was anyone from the State Department invited to this hearing?” she was asked.
    “I do not know the answer to that. I don’t think so,” the US official said. “So does it mean that you do not support a demand for an independent Balochistan?” she was asked again.
    “Our view on this has not changed, and you know where we’ve been on Balochistan. We encourage all the parties in Balochistan to work out their differences peacefully and through a valid political process,” Ms Nuland said. “Within Pakistan?” she was asked. “Correct,” she replied.

    • MUHAMMAD CHAUDHRY  On February 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm

      That’s reflective of the sagacity of Obama administration as the same has been shown in case of insane pressurizing by Israeli government of Netunyahu for attack on Iran in the name of immunity zone as propogated by Israel, reported in N.Y.T by Mark and David yesterday. My comments have also been published on that. Unfortunately,extreme right of Republicans are as rabid,myopic,obsessive and driven by Manichean mind-set,as Israel’s current leadership is. On our side, instead indulging in pep-talk and game playing , our candid,committed and sincere political leaders should negotiate not with the stooges but actual Baluch leaders and assure them through something really meaningful.
      msc

    • Rauf  On February 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm

      This is ” US govt distances itself from Balochistan hearing ” to hood wink the
      Pakistan nation. They are very active in supporting the Balochi separatists, through the
      support of western countries (proxies) , such as UK, Netherland, Sweden, etc. etc.

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      USA should deplore false propaganda of Pak Military that RAW and CIA have been behind Balochi Uprising. The whole world knows, this is a regular practice of Punjabi Pak Establishment and Military to blame International Conspiracies every time some Non Punjabis rise up for their rights against their Slavery. What’s new?

  • Ijaz Khan  On February 10, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    SHUT UP TURKMAN YOU RAW DOG!

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      People like you had me shut up in 1969, when after reading Palms of Z A Bhutto and Sh. Mujib, I had predicted that East Pakistan would separate. Your greed, hunger for power and hegemony has learnt no lesson from your shameful surrender in 1971. It seems, you would not stop killing Pakistanis and stop looting Pakistanis and Pakistan until Allah takes it all this away from you Thieves and Blood Thirsty Human Wolves.
      Allah sees, how you lie, plunder, rape and kill. He is just. Wullaahool Azim …!

  • Javed Chaudhry  On February 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    The proposal of carving Blochistan out of Pakistan has been around for years. There are plenty of Baloch Mir Jaffers active in Britan and the US. So much so, there are some Pakistani journalists from Punjab who are actively helping the so called ‘Liberation of Blochistan’ movement. Here is a link of Rawal TV, you can watch this 50 minute program on YouTube and see it for yourself what I mean. All I can say is that it is sickening to see the way a Pakistani journalist is talking about Pakistan. This is an Urdu program for North American Urdu speaking people.

    Javed

    • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 4:46 pm

      I had no idea Pakistan is holier than lives of Moslims in Islam and nobody should think of getting out of Slavery of Punjabi Rulers of Pakistan or Allah would damned them for doing that.

      • a m malik  On February 10, 2012 at 7:08 pm

        Turkey idiot
        U are a real sum head . Liar as u are I had resisted for some one to answer u. U r a liar because I do not firstly believe that u were in East Pakistan – supposedly betraying your homeland there as well. And secondly this is your job given to u by your FBI masters. U have eaten the punjabi food through out your life and now u are a namak haram to keep bad mouthing Pakistan and Punjab.

        U better see your map again. Iran is not three hundred miles from Gwadar but only 70 miles. Next, Gwadar port is not with the Chinese – though I wish it had been. It is with the touts of Washington – a subsidary of Port of Singapore Authority.It was handed over on a platter by then pimp Shaukat Aziz. Mr Selig Harrison is being claimed as a Baluchistan specialist – only because way back in 1979 on the eve of USSR marching in Afghanistan that Sellig fellow – a Zion of the carnigee institute, spent three years in Baluchistan and wrote a book on the Indenpendance movement of Baluchis. Incidentally Farah Naz isphani – the third wife of our former ambassador Hussain Haqqani- is her team mate along with Mr Zalmay Zad. Farah is also our presidents advisor.
        Having said that the suggestion of one of the above gentle man above needs a serious consideration to write to the various senetors by forming a group. Lets not clutter this blog for the purpose – but instead this be discussed and letters sent through a different group. I am a volunteer and my email is nmalik519@gmail.com. And turkey u keep out of it. I do not want the site to smell bad with a namak hram in it
        am

  • S U Turkman  On February 10, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    A.M. Malik is so ignorant and insane, he does not even try to understand, what he reads and starts pounding on Keyboard. I wrote, “A distance of 300 Nautical Miles from Gwadur can be considered proximity to ‘Hormuz’ only by some Military Genius like this man, Rauf” and he tells me, “U better see your map again. ‘Iran’ is not three hundred miles from Gwadar but only 70 miles”. … Case closed. All this man has Personal Attacks just like low-life people, who have no reason or logic to discuss.

  • MUHAMMAD CHAUDHRY  On February 12, 2012 at 1:56 am

    What will you do if they don’t back off, which they won’t.

    MAB

  • S U Turkman  On February 12, 2012 at 2:52 am

    The Problem with ignorant Yasmeen is, she does not know, people of all 50 States of USA and its Territories have a right to secede and none of them have every tried to do that since 1862. All they have to do is hold a Referendum and if the Motion wins, they are out of USA.
    Even right now, …
    * … USA has no right to appoint Governors or anybody else in any of the States.
    * … All have to be elected. USA has no Police either.
    * … Any State can order closing of a US Military Cantonment in its Territory.
    * … All States have a right to issue their own Currency and 3 of them used to issue their own Currency until those Currencies failed or crashed.
    * … All States have a right to open their Embassy in a Foreign Country.
    * … All States have a right to send their own Sports Team in Olympics if they decide to like Territory of Puerto Rico does.
    .
    Your Punjabi Masters would die before they grant Provinces this much autonomy so, stop talking about USA, Yasmeen. USA is 21st Century country. Pakistan is still in 16th Century.

  • S U Turkman  On February 12, 2012 at 2:57 am

    REPOSTING AFTER CORRECTING SPELLING:
    .
    The Problem with ignorant Yasmeen is, she does not know, people of all 50 States of USA and its Territories have a right to secede and none of them have ever tried to do that since 1862. All they have to do is hold a Referendum and if the Motion passes, they are out of Union of USA.
    Even right now, …
    * … USA has no right to appoint Governors or anybody else in any of the States.
    * … All have to be elected. USA has no Police either.
    * … USA has no right to send Army to any States if it revolts.
    * … Any State can order closing of a US Military Cantonment on its land.
    * … All States have a right to issue their own Currency and 3 of them used to issue their own Currency until those Currencies had failed or crashed.
    * … All States have a right to open their Embassy in a Foreign Country. Illinois used to have its Embassy in Japan.
    * … All States have a right to send their own Sports Team in Olympics if they decide to, just like Territory of Puerto Rico does.
    .
    Your Punjabi Masters would die off Heart Attack before they grant Provinces this much autonomy so, stop talking about USA, Yasmeen. USA is 21st Century country. Pakistan is still in 16th Century.

    • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 12, 2012 at 6:59 am

      TURKMAN.
      What your shadow masters gave you to post,But,Exposes,the Death Grip of the Capitalistic ‘YANKEE’ {The Tea party} over the Labouring ,”Red-necks’,the white working class,and others,Hispanic,being the next in numbers,as stated by ‘Yasmeen’ above.
      The Fact remains that,Yankee,capitalism is fact turning into ‘Corporatism’
      run by,naturally the ‘Yankee”,{criminals & conspirators,if you please},
      And corporatism,is but,a new name of ‘Fascism’ [Italian style]
      and lastly keep in mind,USA is a Federation and Pakistan,is Not,but for the Act of 1935,which somehow lingers on.
      And Turkman,take some,Time- out,and do read about,the methodologies used by the Mafia style,corporatism,to keep a check on those below (i.e various states,within the federation of USA ) reading does help,to clear the fog of mind,but provided you have a Mind too.No pun intended Turkman,just a fact. stated !!

      • S U Turkman  On February 12, 2012 at 11:05 pm

        I don’t know, what all this has to do with Pak Military being thankless backstabbing USA with its Mercenaries, the Taliban?
        Problems USA is facing are nothing compared to the abyss Pak Military taking Pakistanis to.

  • Amir Rana  On February 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    Religeon is the only binding force to keep this country intact. After all it was the motto and base of two nation theory. Now, after 65 years, we are trying to get the base relegated and coin in new concepts promoting nationalism. It hasn’t and it won’t work in our case. Other justifications (or grounds) of two nation theory hold true even in case of five provinces we have right now. Cultural, ethnic and even racial differences are as strong here as were 65 years back. We dissolved “One Unit” and reverted back to provinces divided on the basis of language and tribal divide. Even today we are talking about creating further provinces on the basis of ethnicity.

    Problem with us is the fact that we wish for a solution that suits our generally “liberal” point of view. We never go for true diagnosis and hesitate to face the facts. Our intellectuals keep on discussing and arguing proto-types of solutions which are highly unrealistic and unproductive.

    REMEMBER; if crimes and bully behavior could have been curtailed through “softcore” measures and intellectual solutions, there would have been no need for any “criminal laws” and extreme punishments all across the globe. Power needs to be met with opposite Power to nullify the effect. There might however be certain catalysts to boost up the effect. Reality is that majority of us participating in these forums and portals are only the “catalyst” material NOT the real component to produce the “Force” required to break the shackles.

    • Inam Khan  On February 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm

      “At one time religion was the BINDING FORCE between East Pakistan and West Pakistan.”?????…………………Inam Khan

      • Mansur  On February 12, 2012 at 3:29 pm

        Unfortunately religion was always used by the vested intersted infact iwas always used to deprive rights of the smaller provinces by estalis ment with active colabration of Jud icary.If we realy wanted to make th is country effective we have to ma ke it true fedration and give all nat inalties their due rights
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    • S U Turkman  On February 12, 2012 at 11:08 pm

      Religion has been used to keep Pakistanis enslaved by lying, cheating, stealing, deceitful Islamabad Bureaucracy for too long. Pak Military is Pakistan now, not Pakistanis. Pakistan is not a country. Its a Fort. Fort of Islam. Allaho Akbar …!

  • Amir Rana  On February 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Amir,
    Religion got weakened as a binding force and ethnicity came in front with war for the “self acclaimed rights” from both sides in case of Bangladesh. I would rather say that there was element of Pakistaniat which was converted into a chanted slogan with “Bengalis” labelled as coward traitors. So there were us (Pakistanis) and they (Bengalis). It is harsh but it still remains a fact, whether we admit it or remain in the state of denial. There were several other “factors” which I should better not be discussing here as those involve certain “sacred” elements. Religion is the best source providing rights to all factions, sects or even nationalities within the same central control. Give me a single example of any constitution or human rights document which is more logical, workable and comprehensive than Islam. Some are designed in air-tight environment and some loosen up so much to destroy the whole social fabric. Religion always pushes humanity to focus on “duties” instead of “rights”. Isn’t it one of THE MAJOR problems we are facing right now? Pl think about it as all the corruption, selfishness and materialistic dishonesty stems out of this ugly root.

    Administrative boundaries, irrespective of ethnic divide (rather a deliberate mix of different factions in the same administrative unit) under a strong federation would definitely be a better option.

  • Naveed Tajammul  On February 12, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    We never were a Federation,as goes our historical perspective or historical geography,till the British imposed on,us, these geographic entities, like Punjab,Sind,Balluchistan and NWFP.FATA,Gilgit agency or the tribal areas,in Punjab and Old NWFP.
    So the,the question of giving or carving new,entities is a illogical stance.Re-making new Administrative Boundaries is the Answer., From the TIP to, the TOE.

    • MAB  On February 12, 2012 at 3:31 pm

      I agree with Naveed Tajammal.

      The best way is to have a strong local government system enshrined in the Constitution.

      That is the modern form of government in West. France would be a good model.

      A.Bajwa

    • S U Turkman  On February 12, 2012 at 11:13 pm

      Yeah, yeah. Anything that would reduce power of us Punjabi can not be accepted. We have 100% right to loot this country since we had never wanted to be a part of it anyway. You gave us this country to loot so, we are looting it. You try to go against us, we would kill you.

  • Inam Khan  On February 12, 2012 at 3:32 pm

    “Economics” was the main issue for creation of Bangladesh……………………………Inam khan

    • S U Turkman  On February 12, 2012 at 11:15 pm

      No. Looting of East Pakistan was the main reason. West Pakistan Per Capita Income was $ 200 and East Pakistan $ 115 in 1970.

      • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 13, 2012 at 3:01 am

        Turkman,
        you are stupid,in many ways, per capita is based on the population,with east pakistan having more people,it had to be less then west pakistan.Q.E.D.

  • bubbamuntzer  On February 12, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Nice. You can read many articles about Pakistan and the region without seeing a mention of the strategic power game being played out there. Without that context it’s pretty much gibberish, especially for a US reader.

    I saw this article at ThisCantBeHappening, minus the lovely portrait. Thanks for mentioning us. New Mexico’s critical role in the strategic power game doesn’t come up very often, either. For some reason. And you portrayed us and our ethnic mix quite accurately. Please visit our state sometime. As you no doubt know it’s very beautiful, and interesting.

  • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 13, 2012 at 2:55 am

    What Yahya Khan did on 28th November 1969,continues to Haunt us,Technically,He did Not have a Mandate to do so,yet in the retrospective as we see,”The Dissolution of the province of west Pakistan’.still has issues,which,would not have arisen,had this act not been executed,The One Unit had been,created by Protracted and very Exhaustive,Constitutional Debates,in the First Constituent Assembly and had,been, therefore Duly incorporated in both 1956 and 1962 Constitutions,It was the Principle of Parity in representation in the central legislature.
    West Pakistan in 1955,had 46 % of population and 85% of the Area,whereas, East Pakistan had 54 % population and 15 % area.The Foolish Gesture by a Weak man,as the Chief Martial Law Administrator,can be seen,in the retrospective,as ”A Factor’,that contributed to the country’s disintegration,Had the Parity in representation of Two Wings been maintained,Mujeeb and his party,Would Not have had an Absolute Majority in the
    new National Assembly.
    The remedy lies in the reversion, back to one unit,and remodelling our Administrative District Boundaries,Not on the present Ethnic and linguistic lines,the Legacy of the British,Administrators,but on a Mix,which will lead to Oneness of Pakistan.

    Naveed Tajammal,

  • S U Turkman  On February 13, 2012 at 5:38 am

    Naveed, thanks for making us laugh by your understanding of Per Capita Income.
    You theory about One Unit also makes us smile.

    • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 13, 2012 at 7:46 am

      Turkman.
      Your slip,of, makes ”US’ smile,is it a confession of the fact,that more,persons are behind you ???
      As,to the above,well if you divide GNP by the population you do get the per capita,unless you imply some other way ???
      Anyway should we,at some stage do what has been proposed i am sure,that will deflate,your plans of our Balkanization.So Turkman are you a Yankee or a redneck ???

      • S U Turkman  On February 14, 2012 at 1:54 am

        But if you are talking about a country, why should GDP of West Pakistan was supposed to higher despite so much more money needed for transportation, Railway, Road Construction, Road Repairs, etc?
        * Why Islamabad had never cared to create more Industry in East Pakistan to raise GDP despite earning all the Foreign Exchange from it?
        * Why was East Pakistan’s F.E. used for West Pakistani imports?
        * Why Gen. Ayub was granting less money for East Pakistan Budget, when population of E. Pakistan was higher?
        * Why 6 times more money on Education was being spent on W. Pakistan?
        * Why F Type Quarters for Government Servants were Huts in E. Pakistan and Concrete Dwellings in W. Pakistan?
        * Why were Beharis, Urdu, Punjabis and Pathn were always hired in quota of E. Pakistanis?
        Do you Punjabis have any shame?

  • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 14, 2012 at 4:05 am

    Turkman,
    Say’s who,that we are ‘Punjabi’s” ,Now understand this once for all,and read it with a clear head,Punjabi,are those who came to our ,’Sindh valley Basin’,with the Sikh inroads, punjabi are those who,came with the Nine canal colonies,and lastly punjabi are those who came here after 1947,they are called ‘punjabi; because they speak,a mixture,of two languages,in the remote times,As the influence of our central sindh main dialect ,termed by linguists as,Lhandha,
    Spread to the East,and remained in its pure form till ,sarsuwati,the sacred,hindu mythological river,,it Clashed with,What is,now, called,Hindhi’,the language of across the Jumana,in the East,Over thousands of years a tug of war has continued,the End result,A mixture of two languages,which is called,PUNJABI’,or the land of those”””’,Five rivers starting westwards from Dehli side”””.
    Like i wrote earlier it would,be,better if you read,then do the mud slinging, ”Turkman or who so ever you maybe ,Yankee or a labouring redneck, working for the yankee’s.

    • S U Turkman  On February 14, 2012 at 6:51 am

      Yeah but every Punjabi knows, who is Punjabi and who is not. Your this made-up B.S. is not even known to anybody. Rhetoric can not change Facts and you can not fool a Punjabi like me raised in Lahore.

      • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 14, 2012 at 10:48 am

        What a Ludicrous comment,on the ‘Punjabi entity’,it seems,’Turkman’
        the term,’Ignoramus’ was,But, coined but for you.
        Read and be Enlightened,to clear your clogged mindset,it is you,who is on pure Rhetoric alone,whereas,i always write concisely.
        And so on ‘Humanitarian grounds’ i recommend,that you read,
        ”Linguistic Survey of India’ vol ix,part i, collected and edited by
        Sir.George Abraham Grierson, Calcutta.1916”

  • S U Turkman  On February 14, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    Thank you for your advice Naveed but it sounds stupid to read something almost 100 years old to learn, percentage of Punjabis in Pak Population in 2012. You see, switching the subject can not change any facts.
    “tooN KahaaniyaaN soonaa kai bunDaa paiDaa nyeeN ker sakDaa, PooTar …!”

    • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 15, 2012 at 3:28 am

      Turkman,
      What next ! Look at your stances,you claim to have been in East Pakistan,in 1971,That you were Raised in Lahore ( which, is quite possible,with all those Churches,american run too) but,you a, punjabi,well it tops it all.
      Why do you not, just admit that you work,for ………………………;
      Because,the way you express your self,does show,as is seen,in a one line,Gibberish,purportedly,your version of,”’ your Punjabi ?”’.
      Do kick that sikh in your setup who wrote it,for wrong spellings and Grammar.
      Though your confession that reading is beyond you,explains it all, in the End.

      • S U Turkman  On February 15, 2012 at 6:37 am

        Stop wasting time of members of this forum because you do not discuss, what they want to. Your posts are personal addressing me only so, why don’t you stop bothering everybody and just email me at turkman@sbcglobal.net …?

  • NAVEED TAJAMMAL  On February 15, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Turkman
    There is no intention of wasting time,here,but, i am, just putting on record where you come from and whose interests you watch,and for whom you work for,whatever you get paid,being beside the point here,And, this being not the first time you have,defended the stars and stripes,flag, and that,land,your place of abode,of which you have left no doubt,should anybody even take a cursory glance, of your snide comments,here alone !

  • Admiral Sirohey  On February 15, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I think creating new Mexico will be easier and will be more democratic that what they are talking about Balochistan. Former needs to be pursued aggressively.

    There is no doubt we have a problem in Balochistan. But not to the extant that we should place it on the brink of break away from Pakistan. The federal Govt has not taken serious interest in the issues in the province. The PM has termed it a provincial issue. The Federal Govt is mandated to keep the Federation in tact.

    The problem in Balochistan started soon after the creation of the Province and adding it to Pakistan. There were certain conditions in that agreement these need to revisited.
    Since14th August 1947 a chronology of major events be complied and agreements signed in political and economic domains and why have these been broken should be stated

    There has been cry of the deprivation of the PEOPLE. That needs to be very openly and truthfully and objectively brought out for the people to know. The money raised by the province and additional amount given to it and to the aardvarks be listed co-collated and commented on its utilisation. What really happened to that money must be determined.

    Development in the social sector to be listed as it exists now, what had been voted for and that the projects voted have been been brought on ground. If not why not. It should include all social sectors. Health , education and infrastructure.

    Who are the people who have been climbing the mountains, who have been supporting them, which countries are partaking in it should be identified

    Who are presently sitting out and causing the problems in the Province et al.

    A small committee from the knowledgeable maximum from Balochistan should be constituted to prepare the data suggested above. Publish it for the people of the country to know.

    The Federal Govt then take the task in hand. Call all those who have been in power and receiving the funds from the center to answer for it and those who are agitating to state what development they wish in the province for the people to done.

    I have been participating in the effort to develop the Coastal area of the country 1954. Had the honour to hoist the Natinal Flag on taking over Gwadar from Oman in 1958.

    IAS

    • S U Turkman  On February 17, 2012 at 2:19 am

      SIROHEY: I think creating new Mexico will be easier and will be more democratic that what they are talking about Balochistan. Former needs to be pursued aggressively.
      TURKMAN: Admiral, it already exists.
      SIROHEY: There is no doubt we have a problem in Balochistan. But not to the extant that we should place it on the brink of break away from Pakistan.
      TURKMAN:That’s right. We had fixed our many times bigger Awami League Problem in March of 1971 if it was not for India.
      SIROHEY:The problem in Balochistan started soon after the creation of the Province and adding it to Pakistan. There were certain conditions in that agreement these need to revisited.
      TURKMAN:But why was Baluchistan invaded, occupied and turned in to a Province of Pakistan to start with if we were not Expansionist Greedy people instead of being good Moslims, sir?
      SIROHEY:There has been cry of the deprivation of the PEOPLE. …
      TURKMAN: Yes sir and its all fault or ignorant Balochis, who have not been revolting against their SirDaars and blaming us. Why don’t they learn to live like good Slaves? Don’t they know, we have God Given rights to steal their Natural Resources because we are their Masters?
      SIROHEY:Had the honour to hoist the Natinal Flag on taking over Gwadar from Oman in 1958.
      TURKMAN: And look, how much richer than their Omani Counterparts in Oman, the Omani Citizens are the people of Gwadur under our generous tolerant Slavery …! Under rule of Pakistan, the world’s richest most managed country. Allaho Akbar …!
      Allah hee sumJhay gaa toom jaisay buDmaashoN sai Adminral …!

  • Sayed Shah  On February 16, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Your article was thought provoking and gave a queue to the national assembly. Since Pakistan is in a chaotic state its enemies will exploit the situation to dismember it, as was the case of East Pakistan. Pakistan seems to be losing its writ in Balochistan. In this respect Brig. Asif Raja’s article has elaborated this point very well by comparing the situation to that which prevailed in E. Pak. The home needs fixing. The nat assembly should take urgent steps to win the hearts of Balochis to stop the history repeating itself.

    • S U Turkman  On February 17, 2012 at 2:22 am

      And what Writ Pakistan had in Baluchistan that she had invaded and occupied in 1949, Mr. Shah?
      Who had granted that Writ to Pakistan?
      Why has Pakistan been stealing Natural Resources of Pakistan for last half century?
      Why should not Pakistan be fined and punished for that?

  • TMH  On February 17, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Alas we could do what is being proposed by the writer, until and unless these kind
    of steps are not taken, we will be pushed around by our so called friends.
    But our leadership, or political crowd are more interested in getting
    green cards. We have to mobilise general public to pressurise our politicians
    and outsiders and tell them we will not tolerate interference in our national
    matters, so back off.

    TMH

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